Red dabs?

213

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I recently came across a budder/ wax like concentrate that was bright red like shale/cherry oil, but the consistency of hash oil. The guy explained that it was due to a natural occurring terpene/chemical only found in certain strains, but I have heard that dabs can change Color to a red due to the chlorophyll levels can anyone elaborate? I'd like to know how it was made.
 

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zchopper420

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I've had shatter that comes out a deep red/amber color. It's like red tinted amber. The burmese kush comes out like that for me and taste like straight pine needles
 

qwizoking

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Light will make it a beautiful red.

Some terps are more red and orange than gold. Some of my s.a. sativas have amber trichs through flowering
 

hyroot

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I've had purple hash and reddish / tan colored hash before. Some trichs produce different colors.
 

Grow Goddess

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Red dabs. The color in the picture is not red in my opinion. It looks perfectly normal to me. Pure red would be very rare working with alcohol solvents. I am sure it is possible, but when I hear red, I think of red oil. Red oil is all of the water soluble content from marijuana. You would know as soon as you took a drag, it tastes like crap, literally.

R&RHashman, if you are seeing true red oil, that is not good. That would mean the CO2 extraction process is extracting the water soluble from the material.

Then again, I have noticed each solvent extracts a different color from each strain. Each strain provides a different color from each solvent. So it is not necessarily a specific strain, but it could be the strain and process that provides the red color.

I am used to seeing reddish amber, orange, pink, golden, and brown. This is strictly from alcohol extracts.

I have seen some extractions where there was moisture in the buds, and you could see a red ring around the dish before it was finished purging. That ring is the water soluble red oil.
 

Fadedawg

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QWISO can be reddish, and as GG noted, the water soluble fraction from an alcohol extraction is really red and terrible. Picture of QWISO attached:

The colors above do fall into the normal range, and is a function of content, including the anthro cyanin plant pigments, which can change from red thru blue with Ph changes.
 

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CharlieDankToes

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Just wanted to add this. I did a frozen 200 proof quick wash with top shelf two or so years ago. During the evaporation in a glass bowl I noticed layers separate as usual but this time one layer was red tinged.

I do not remember the strain but it was decent.

Showed my girl and at the time I assumed maybe a nute dye or did not know. Dabbed it all up and I want to say it still came out amber on the dark side.

Reading this thread was cool.
 

Bublonichronic

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Don't remember the strain but I had a batch that turned out a really beautiful red/orangish color, I think it was power Africa that had a pretty long cure on it, was some really tasty stuff tho, I don't really care about the color anymore as long as it's good but if I had my choice of like all my stuff to turn out gold
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Mr.CrumWell

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the strain and method for sure. i have seen many purple strains turn an amber sugar budder similar to that amber hash in the bottom of your jar in that pic.
 

GreenStick85

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Wow. Guess my post didn't work but red is often just a color we're used to seeing as the trichs consolidate to one spot. One thing I may point out is either the phenotype that has darker colors to it, say purple kush that may be a deep purple or close may have an effect as the solvent draws out the 'dye' in the bud. On the other hand it could be the trichs themselves being amber. I've read stuff on Amber being a relative deal that is either
Good or bad. Meaning that if you leave the plant to mature too long, the heads get darker and lose potency. But I could say that's a lot of bs because there is hash darker than black and it is more potent than the clear stuff people post by the dozen.
I'm only offering an opinion here and some critical thinking since folks overlook that color does not equal potency nor does it negate it.
 

213

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Yeah it's definantly very red my camera is just a pos that takes potato quality pics but it is just as red if not even more red than fadedawgs pic thanks for the knowledge guys!
 

eugeneoregon

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I recently came across a budder/ wax like concentrate that was bright red like shale/cherry oil, but the consistency of hash oil. The guy explained that it was due to a natural occurring terpene/chemical only found in certain strains, but I have heard that dabs can change Color to a red due to the chlorophyll levels can anyone elaborate? I'd like to know how it was made.
I have seen this happen before my eyes - yellow extract change to red, but I was the cause. First of all, when you shine a red light on the wall you get red. Shine a green light on the wall and you get green. Now converge the two colors so they overlap: you get yellow where they overlap.

When I take yellow dispensary extract and remove the green I get red. I accomplish this is a myriad of ways, however the one that will seem like magic before your eyes is through a special filtration.

I first soak and disolve the extract in the solvent with the closest polarity to water of any other commonly used solvent, methanol. Once disolved the extract immediately begins to denature (proteins present unravel and appear as cloudy lumps). Over all the extract is mostly leaning toward the yellow side at this point.

Then I pack a Buchner funnel with a glass frit in it with Aluminum Oxide (alumina), and use a vacuum to pull methanol through the media to pre wet it. Then I dump the disolved yellow extract and methanol mix on top and pull it through. When it goes into the white Alumina it is yellow. When it exits it is red. My conclusion is the green component, likely chlorophyll present in tiny amounts, cannot pass the alumina barrier when applied this way. Yellow minus green equals red.

It would make sense to equate the presence or absence of terpenes as the cause for such a radical change, because the presence or absence of a particular terp might also be indicative of how much chlorophyl remains in the extract.

Another way to turn yelow extract red is to destroy the chlorophyl in place. To do this, I place the extract in a small beaker and cook it very slow over low heat. The vapor that rises is generally heavy pine scent at first. As the pine scent wanes the oil takes on a red hue. Again, when the chlorophyl breaks down from heat and stops being green, the yellow turns to red.

I was always puzzled by the change to red from otherwise pristine looking yellow shatter when I cooked it. However the cooked product that some call cherry oil is absolutely my favorite of all types. It is not the most stoney but by far it is the most satisfying to me.

As far as exactly which component is naturally red I have no method to test this, but in general most extracts will darken towards red the more they are cooked, or as in the case of alumina that I use for chromatography, when the chlorophyl is otherwise removed.

If you come across red product my hunch is that it is substantially similar to the other products in a typical dispensary but care has been taken to avoid chlorophyl extraction, OR it has been processed for greater purity.
 

k82

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Wow. Guess my post didn't work but red is often just a color we're used to seeing as the trichs consolidate to one spot. One thing I may point out is either the phenotype that has darker colors to it, say purple kush that may be a deep purple or close may have an effect as the solvent draws out the 'dye' in the bud. On the other hand it could be the trichs themselves being amber. I've read stuff on Amber being a relative deal that is either
Good or bad. Meaning that if you leave the plant to mature too long, the heads get darker and lose potency. But I could say that's a lot of bs because there is hash darker than black and it is more potent than the clear stuff people post by the dozen.
I'm only offering an opinion here and some critical thinking since folks overlook that color does not equal potency nor does it negate it.
QWISO can be reddish, and as GG noted, the water soluble fraction from an alcohol extraction is really red and terrible. Picture of QWISO attached:

The colors above do fall into the normal range, and is a function of content, including the anthro cyanin plant pigments, which can change from red thru blue with Ph changes.
I can make red oil all day long it isnt the chemicles you use nor the bud you use. Its a simple trick with nothing added or taken away. Gold black and red can all be achieved with same ingredients using different processes.
 

Herb & Suds

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I can make red oil all day long it isnt the chemicles you use nor the bud you use. Its a simple trick with nothing added or taken away. Gold black and red can all be achieved with same ingredients using different processes.
Do tell ?
Oh and welcome to RIU :weed:
 

Fadedawg

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I can make red oil all day long it isnt the chemicles you use nor the bud you use. Its a simple trick with nothing added or taken away. Gold black and red can all be achieved with same ingredients using different processes.
Kool! Might I ask how?
 
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