Reparations for Weed Dealers?

blu3bird

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Alright, I know this will be a lightning rod as I write it, but let's get reparations for African Americans before we do it for weed dealers who knowingly broke the law when it was illegal.
You know there's a site called reparations.me, you can donate to black families, believe me or not I've given one of my old mountain bikes, an old cell phone, an old laptop cpu and some winter coats and pants to black kids in need.

Honestly, your comment about weed dealers is pretty lame though
 

DiogenesTheWiser

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You know there's a site called reparations.me, you can donate to black families, believe me or not I've given one of my old mountain bikes, an old cell phone, an old laptop cpu and some winter coats and pants to black kids in need.

Honestly, your comment about weed dealers is pretty lame though
Reparations doesn't mean handouts. If you were a tad more thoughtful, you'd research how reparations programs would play out, and it wouldn't be a massive handout to anyone, but instead provide programs for training and education to the most vulnerable in society. But I know that you disagree with any kind of gov. assistance for anything and that's fine, it's America. You can be in favor of a unequal distribution of resources as most American conservatives are!
 

blu3bird

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I don't disagree with government assistance, sometimes people need help. I do disagree with lifetime or generational assistance, there has to come a time when someone has to be able to stand on their own. I think if someone's receiving assistance also they should be in a work training program to help them get off of assistance asap.

I'm not sure why you think I'm a conservative? I would say I'm moderate, I'll compromise.
 

greg nr

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Back to the ot, this is another example of outlaws vs inlaws. ;)

Every generation has the outlaws; the hell be damned, hell be served, lovin the hate fire breathing rebels. They almost always get busted.

And every generation has the inlaws; either the been-there-done-that or the evil-as-sin crowd. These are the people guarding all the doors and holding all the keys. They have the capital and the juice to get things done politically and they use it.

The two groups will never be happy together, even though they are at times one and the same, and one usually becomes the other over time.

As a society we don't like sinners running sinful enterprises. We don't allow felons to work in the gambling, liquor, or financial trades. This is just an extension of those prejudices.

So I guess we are talking to what degree do you want to grant amnesty? Surely someone busted for simple possession shouldn't carry a felony conviction. But what about the knee busting, cap popping dealers? Are they different from the 20 unit mule?

It's not plain and simple me thinks.......
 

DiogenesTheWiser

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Back to the ot, this is another example of outlaws vs inlaws. ;)

Every generation has the outlaws; the hell be damned, hell be served, lovin the hate fire breathing rebels. They almost always get busted.

And every generation has the inlaws; either the been-there-done-that or the evil-as-sin crowd. These are the people guarding all the doors and holding all the keys. They have the capital and the juice to get things done politically and they use it.

The two groups will never be happy together, even though they are at times one and the same, and one usually becomes the other over time.

As a society we don't like sinners running sinful enterprises. We don't allow felons to work in the gambling, liquor, or financial trades. This is just an extension of those prejudices.

So I guess we are talking to what degree do you want to grant amnesty? Surely someone busted for simple possession shouldn't carry a felony conviction. But what about the knee busting, cap popping dealers? Are they different from the 20 unit mule?

It's not plain and simple me thinks.......
And overall, it really sucks that something which is legal in several states and the nation's capitol is illegal in many other parts of the country and the cops there practice zero tolerance (in fact, in some areas, weed interdiction is the only law enforcing that goes on).

But all this will be moot after Jeff Secessions and King Trump sick Princess Ivanka and Prince Kushner on the legal and medical weed retailers.
 

st0wandgrow

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Here's an idea; let those who used to be in the black market utilize their skills and experience in the legal market. Captain Obvious says, 'duh!'

http://www.highsnobiety.com/2017/07/10/weed-reparations/
Seeing this industry take shape here in Michigan I have one takeaway...fuck dispensaries. Turns out that whether they are run by corporate interests or former black market weed dealers, they're all greedy mofos.

I became a caregiver to help people. I have a friend with stage 3 cancer, a friend that has a child with Dravet Syndrome, and another with UC. I help them all for free because they couldn't afford the prices that the dispensaries around here charge, and they are all sick and benefit a great deal from marijuana. The dispensaries have lobbied our state capitol hard, and are essentially trying to push caregivers like me out of the picture and force sick people to go to their storefronts and pay their obscene prices for their medicine.

Money corrupts people, and it's an equal opportunity affliction.
 

greg nr

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And overall, it really sucks that something which is legal in several states and the nation's capitol is illegal in many other parts of the country and the cops there practice zero tolerance (in fact, in some areas, weed interdiction is the only law enforcing that goes on).

But all this will be moot after Jeff Secessions and King Trump sick Princess Ivanka and Prince Kushner on the legal and medical weed retailers.
It won't just be the retailers and dispensaries. Breeders and growers will be targeted, online personalities will be put away, any outlet that merely tolerates a pro-cannabis message will be attacked.

This camelot we have can quickly be reduced to rubble. They have all the laws they need, they have intel you wouldn't even comprehend, and they have the drive and lack of control to combine them.

It really depends on whether they want to go the shock and awe route or the salt the earth route.
 

DiogenesTheWiser

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It won't just be the retailers and dispensaries. Breeders and growers will be targeted, online personalities will be put away, any outlet that merely tolerates a pro-cannabis message will be attacked.

This camelot we have can quickly be reduced to rubble. They have all the laws they need, they have intel you wouldn't even comprehend, and they have the drive and lack of control to combine them.

It really depends on whether they want to go the shock and awe route or the salt the earth route.
Yes, I agree. It's very possible that Jeff Secessions could order the state authorities to start searching homes door to door (there'll be exemptions for the homes of the wealthy).
 

jonsnow399

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Yes, I agree. It's very possible that Jeff Secessions could order the state authorities to start searching homes door to door (there'll be exemptions for the homes of the wealthy).
He doesn't have the authority to order the states to do that, and how many would obey? You think California would?
 

greg nr

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Yes, I agree. It's very possible that Jeff Secessions could order the state authorities to start searching homes door to door (there'll be exemptions for the homes of the wealthy).
Back in the dayz of ronnie raygun they were seizing yachts and homes for "one" (1) joint. You can still find the stories on google. The feds don't need state cops to do this. They can get federal warrants and enter your home. They just need boots on the ground, and they have an unlimited budget to fill those boots.

If they want shock and awe, it could get brutal.
 

DiogenesTheWiser

Well-Known Member
Back in the dayz of ronnie raygun they were seizing yachts and homes for "one" (1) joint. You can still find the stories on google. The feds don't need state cops to do this. They can get federal warrants and enter your home. They just need boots on the ground, and they have an unlimited budget to fill those boots.

If they want shock and awe, it could get brutal.
But they won't use federal cops to do it. It'll be more efficient to empower the eager staties to do it, and it foments statie loyalty to the federales.
 

Rob Roy

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Back to the ot, this is another example of outlaws vs inlaws. ;)

Every generation has the outlaws; the hell be damned, hell be served, lovin the hate fire breathing rebels. They almost always get busted.

And every generation has the inlaws; either the been-there-done-that or the evil-as-sin crowd. These are the people guarding all the doors and holding all the keys. They have the capital and the juice to get things done politically and they use it.

The two groups will never be happy together, even though they are at times one and the same, and one usually becomes the other over time.

As a society we don't like sinners running sinful enterprises. We don't allow felons to work in the gambling, liquor, or financial trades. This is just an extension of those prejudices.

So I guess we are talking to what degree do you want to grant amnesty? Surely someone busted for simple possession shouldn't carry a felony conviction. But what about the knee busting, cap popping dealers? Are they different from the 20 unit mule?

It's not plain and simple me thinks.......

Actually it is plain and simple. You separate the victimless crimes from those which created a victim.

A drug dealer making a consensual trade with another person, creates no real victim. Their arrest actually victimized them and the people who are forced to pay for feeding them while they are being held as political prisoners.

A drug dealer who also does real crime, such as assaulting people etc. acts criminally not by his selling something to willing buyers, but by his assaulting people. Which coincidentally is what prohibition enforcers do.
 

DiogenesTheWiser

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He doesn't have the authority to order the states to do that, and how many would obey? You think California would?
Called federal court injunction, and the feds have used it over and over to make states comply with federal law. There's a long history of jurisprudence on this. There will be a fight. Some states will appeal any injunction, but that could take years, and eventually, with the GOP stacked courts, the fighting states will lose.
 

jonsnow399

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Called federal court injunction, and the feds have used it over and over to make states comply with federal law. There's a long history of jurisprudence on this. There will be a fight. Some states will appeal any injunction, but that could take years, and eventually, with the GOP stacked courts, the fighting states will lose.
and when the states ignore the injunction? With the shitstorm going on in Washington right now they aren't about to start with this. If things cool down and I don't see how, then they might try something, but not something like this.
 

DiogenesTheWiser

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ATF, CBP, FBI and DEA do this today. They like to have local support, but they move independently as well.
I agree, and we also have an army of state jackboots and many different state bureaus of narcotics that are itching for the federal order to crackdown on weed, whether in legal or illegal states. It would make more sense for Jeff Secessions's states' rights ideology to empower staties to do the crackdown. It gives an illusion that the federales are kowtowing to states' rights.
 
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