Reversing Alternating Phyllotaxy in Clones

Is it possible to shake this trait off once it begins to show up in clones? If I take the lowest cuts off of a clone before alternating starts will that freshly cut clone not show alternating phyllotaxy right away? Will all clones taken past the point of alternating, or if the whole clone you have is all Alternating Phyllotaxy, show that trait right away? is their a way thru cuts to shake off this mature trait?

Hope I worded that well enough

I don't think it can be avoided, but maybe? Clones taken will still mature into alternating nodes.

Star Dog said:

I don't think it can be avoided, but maybe? Clones taken will still mature into alternating nodes.

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Yea I get that of course. Just wondering if I cut a clone and 4 nodes up it starts alternating. If I take a bottom cut from under/before alternating started will that cut be normal most of the time and not alternate right away?

If I have a clone that alternates right away with all nodes, is their anyway thru bottom cuts to shake that mature trait

ProPheT 216 said:

Yea I get that of course. Just wondering if I cut a clone and 4 nodes up it starts alternating. If I take a bottom cut from under/before alternating started will that cut be normal most of the time and not alternate right away?

If I have a clone that alternates right away with all nodes, is their anyway thru bottom cuts to shake that mature trait

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Right i see what you mean, it's got to be worth a try.

If you cut clones from growing tips near the top of the plant, especially the main stem, your nodes will be tighter.

In my experience bottom branches tend to produce clones with thinner, longer stem and bigger internode spaces. I grow from clones of clones of clones... Over time when I cut bottom branches I just kept getting skinnier, taller plants with fewer, widely spaced branches.

1 round I just topped the main stem, then rooted those. They were way more tight and short. Still alternating nodes, but they were much tighter.

Alternating nodes are a sign of plant maturity, and a clone knows how old it is, so you can try all you like it will still grow out to alternating nodes. I have seen a few plants that naturally grow that way tho, so cuts from them should stay that way. I have never had need to try and save them by cloning.

Ime once they get to sexual maturity they mostly have alternating nodes, top to bottom. Sometimes you'll get a branch that grows symmetrical or nearly-symmetrical nodes at first, but even those will start to alternate when they grow out.

I've been doing bonsai mothers for a bit in a very small space, and symmetrically-branched clones definitely provide a good structure for that, even if they start alternating later on

For the OP: I'm not really responding to address your question. I'm wondering why you are asking it. I see what you are saying and I just wonder "What difference does it make"? Not trying to be an asshole, just curious.

Getting 2 shoots every time vs one then space then another shoot. What to wonder lol @T.H.Cammo