Root rot prevention

smokebros · Sep 5, 2017

Twerkle said:
I'm not 100% familiar with Dyna Grow but the main things you need are: Macros (NPK), Micros(Fe, Cal, etc), Silica, Aminos, Enzymes, and a fulvic/humic acid. If your room conditions are correct these will get you to 90% genetic potential. The rest comes from biostims (i.e. kelp) but also from bennies. Bennies and the root system work in symbiosis. The better your ryzosphere the better your finished product. I use bennies for protection from pathogens but also as bio stimulant generators.

The hard part of hydro is finding ones of each of those that work for your system/strain/and budget.

I appreciate the response. I'll have to incorporate some of my soil/coco techniques into my hydro in the future and test it out side by side. Everything you mentioned is exactly what I do in coco.

Biocozyme, jump start, recharge, etc.

If you ever get bored, look up the ingredients in Dyna Gro and checkout "homebrewer" on RIU, he's done a lot of the past few years to enlighten growers on the benefits of the product. One of the few companies that puts all 16 macros and micros in one bottle.

Twerkle · Sep 5, 2017

smokebros said:
I appreciate the response. I'll have to incorporate some of my soil/coco techniques into my hydro in the future and test it out side by side. Everything you mentioned is exactly what I do in coco.

Biocozyme, jump start, recharge, etc.

If you ever get bored, look up the ingredients in Dyna Gro and checkout "homebrewer" on RIU, he's done a lot of the past few years to enlighten growers on the benefits of the product. One of the few companies that puts all 16 macros and micros in one bottle.

Yea exactly, just cause we are in DWC doesn't mean we can't benefit from what we already know as growers is important. really the benefit of DWC over CoCo is only that it sits in the solution 100% of the time so it can take what i needs when it needs it. Some of the bigger operations even have sensors that detect what is missing from the water and only redose with that. Only issue with DWC is additives need to be extra clean. Some organics + bennies in your DWC will cause a mess LOL.

I know people who swear by DynaGrow pro-tekt, and ive seen it work so i know its good. Its good cheap silica but I use NPK silica cause it doesnt add potassium to the rez and is flowable so it has little particles my bennies can colonize.

I'll check out "homebrewer", there is a lot of good info on this site just got to dig for it.

Biocozyme looks awesome I've seen it at the hydro store, pretty affordable too. I don't remember why but I remember reading the label and thinking it might make a mess in DWC.

Also I shy away from the All-in-ones because I do heavy defoliation week 1,2,3 of flowering and being able to add the micros separately allows me to give them the high levels of micros they need to recover from defoliation without adding extra macros they don't need cause they have 10% the leaf mass. I live in a legal state and have given extra clones to friends who grow in different mediums and I beat their veg time 100% of the time regardless of medium. It wasn't until I started with bennies I was able to match soil/coco taste/smell tho.

smokebros · Sep 5, 2017

Twerkle said:
Yea exactly, just cause we are in DWC doesn't mean we can't benefit from what we already know as growers is important. really the benefit of DWC over CoCo is only that it sits in the solution 100% of the time so it can take what i needs when it needs it. Some of the bigger operations even have sensors that detect what is missing from the water and only redose with that. Only issue with DWC is additives need to be extra clean. Some organics + bennies in your DWC will cause a mess LOL.

I know people who swear by DynaGrow pro-tekt, and ive seen it work so i know its good. Its good cheap silica but I use NPK silica cause it doesnt add potassium to the rez and is flowable so it has little particles my bennies can colonize.

I'll check out "homebrewer", there is a lot of good info on this site just got to dig for it.

Biocozyme looks awesome I've seen it at the hydro store, pretty affordable too. I don't remember why but I remember reading the label and thinking it might make a mess in DWC.

Also I shy away from the All-in-ones because I do heavy defoliation week 1,2,3 of flowering and being able to add the micros separately allows me to give them the high levels of micros they need to recover from defoliation without adding extra macros they don't need cause they have 10% the leaf mass. I live in a legal state and have given extra clones to friends who grow in different mediums and I beat their veg time 100% of the time regardless of medium. It wasn't until I started with bennies I was able to match soil/coco taste/smell tho.

Nice dude, I'll be looking up some of your previous posts and discussions because what you are saying makes sense. It sounds like you're past the point of "reaching your goals" when it comes to growing, and more like you're at the point of improving existing processes to optimize them. I can totally respect your perspective, especially when you talk about getting all your micro's in singular forms to supplement them when needed. I'm also a big fan of Harley Smith and NPK nutes, so the fact you're bringing these things to the discussion tell me you know a thing or two about growing, especially in hydroponics.

I'm always down to learn, man.

David Music · Sep 9, 2017

smokebros said:
I add it last. I mix in my silica first, followed by calcium and magnesium since I use 50% R/O water. Then I add my grow or bloom, then hydrogen peroxide. Afterwards I PH it to where I want it to be.

To each his own, I've used food grade hydrogen peroxide with great success. It keeps my roots healthy and white. My plants do better with it than without it.
Only time I use beneficial bacteria in my grow is when I add recharge to a coco or soil grow. With that being said, it doesn't mean my way is the only way, the right way, or the wrong way... it's what works for me.

Do you add it to rez when changing water as well or just with your nutrient solution?

Sureshot2 · Sep 9, 2017

Twerkle said:
You continually show how little you know. Plants use CHLORIDEs not CHLORINE!

At no point is your HTH in a chemical reaction that produces chlorides. Most chlorides we use are from Potassium Chloride.

Where in this reaction is the Cl- you need?

Calcium hypochlorite reacts with carbon dioxide to form calcium carbonate.

2Ca(ClO)2 + 2CO2 → 2CaCO3 + 2Cl2 + O2

Exactly.

While your not wrong about the fact the plants uptake chloride and not chlorine, and that your chemical reaction is correct, you failed in your assumption that pool shock is 100% pure calcium hypochlorite, which it definitely is not. Even a quick search for the MSDS on HTH pool shock shows that it is only 40-55% calcium hypochlorite, with between 5-20% chlorides (calcium and sodium). So yes, the main disinfecting agent isn't providing micros, but there are plenty of byproducts in the shock with available chloride.

J Henry · Sep 10, 2017

You have probably heard and read that most forum gurus claim they never have root rot problems nor fungal infestations.

Some do have problems, big problems as do the gurus. Many promote the cure, not the prevention.

Most growers just watch and wait till they see symptoms of the rot and realize the roots are dead and dying and then the race is on try to kill the fungi that is there eating dead and decayed roots. The crisis rush is on using with all sorts of emergency homemade treatments and harsh chemicals to kill the fungi before all the roots die and become fungus food.

Prevent is about what must be done in order to keep the plan, the roots and the microbes healthy 24/7 for months during the growing season… managing the res water quality.

If you cannot keep the roots healthy or keep the res water quality within the “safe limits” for long periods of time, well avoid disappointment and expect dead roots, root rot and of course serious fungal outbreaks.

The fungi is not cause the root rot, fungi loves to eat the dead and decaying roots and their colonies thrive when there are plenty of rotten roots to eat.

Sick, dying and decaying roots are the golden invitation for the fungi feast. That’s as normal in nature as the sun rising every morning.

Root rot prevention

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