Sanders is backing away from his hard line on health care.

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
I'm not posting this to be critical of Bernie. But will point out that this is more about Bernie's strategy to attract moderate conservatives to his "Our Revolution" reform movement than anything to do with the Democratic Party. The march rightward for the Bernie Sanders movement continues.

Sanders: Single-payer isn't a litmus test for Dems

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/348258-sanders-single-payer-isnt-a-litmus-test-for-dems

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said that supporting a single-payer healthcare system shouldn't be a litmus test for Democrats, but that he believed more members of the party will grow to back the policy in the future.

Sanders told The Washington Post that he’s building support for his “Medicare for All” bill, which would institute a single-payer health insurance system.

The former presidential candidate's backing for the policy has raised questions about whether he and his supporters might launch primary challenges against Democrats who do not back a single-payer plan.

But Sanders told The Post that healthcare, and support for a single-payer system, is just one issue for voters to consider.
“Is this a litmus test? No, you have to look at where candidates are on many issues,” Sanders said.

“But you’re seeing more and more movement toward ‘Medicare for All.’ When the people are saying we need healthcare for everyone, as more and more Americans come on board, it will become politically possible.”

Sanders did predict that Democrats in the future will likely have to back single-payer healthcare if they want to win elections.

“Could people run? Sure,” Sanders said of Democrats running for office without backing a single-payer system.

“Do I think they can win without supporting single-payer? I’m skeptical. Among the people who consider themselves progressive, who vote in the primaries, there’s clearly movement toward Medicare for All.”

Sanders plans on introducing his bill once the Senate returns from recess. He has been hosting town halls to draw attention to his plans.

The progressive senator said that the “landscape had changed” for single-payer during the GOP’s drawn-out battle to repeal and replace ObamaCare, which failed in the Senate earlier this month.

“People are saying ‘the ACA did some good things, and the Republicans wanted to throw 22 million people off of it,’” Sanders said. “That’s an absurd idea to most people.”

Universal healthcare plans like single-payer have gained traction among more progressive lawmakers, but have not yet earned the support of more moderate Democrats, who remain hesitant about the idea.

 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
1st paragraph; last sentence.
Bernie's march rightward.

Single payer healthcare is right wing issue

Yeah, I can see how you could say one means the other. :roll:.

Bernie can't be hard line about single payer health care and attract conservative moderates into his "Our Revolution" reform. He came out and said as much.

Sanders told The Post that healthcare, and support for a single-payer system, is just one issue for voters to consider.
“Is this a litmus test? No, you have to look at where candidates are on many issues,” Sanders said.

“But you’re seeing more and more movement toward ‘Medicare for All.’ When the people are saying we need healthcare for everyone, as more and more Americans come on board, it will become politically possible.”


This is the politics of pragmatism. I think he's absolutely right. Don't you?

Of course this isn't very different from what establishment Democrats have been saying all along. Bernie is just stating reality. What has been done to you is called sheep dogging.
 

Growdict

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single payer is cheaper for everyone.
single payer system provides better health outcomes vs US current system.
single payer is the most humane and "christian values" way of administrating health care
no country that has started single payer has reverted.
The only real reason US doesnt have single payer is because 1) abortion is legal and sometime medically necessary 2) therefore the government would have to pay for abortions
 

schuylaar

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single payer is cheaper for everyone.
single payer system provides better health outcomes vs US current system.
single payer is the most humane and "christian values" way of administrating health care
no country that has started single payer has reverted.
The only real reason US doesnt have single payer is because 1) abortion is legal and sometime medically necessary 2) therefore the government would have to pay for abortions
without single payer, big pharm and big ins are still in the driver seat..they don't want to have to negotiate with government.

they already don't pay for birth control.
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
Bernie's march rightward.

Single payer healthcare is right wing issue

Yeah, I can see how you could say one means the other. :roll:.

Bernie can't be hard line about single payer health care and attract conservative moderates into his "Our Revolution" reform. He came out and said as much.

Sanders told The Post that healthcare, and support for a single-payer system, is just one issue for voters to consider.
“Is this a litmus test? No, you have to look at where candidates are on many issues,” Sanders said.


“But you’re seeing more and more movement toward ‘Medicare for All.’ When the people are saying we need healthcare for everyone, as more and more Americans come on board, it will become politically possible.”


This is the politics of pragmatism. I think he's absolutely right. Don't you?

Of course this isn't very different from what establishment Democrats have been saying all along. Bernie is just stating reality. What has been done to you is called sheep dogging.
'hard line' in the title is suggestive of right. hard liners are right.
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
'hard line' in the title is suggestive of right. hard liners are right.
There can be hard line liberals too. A lot of liberals have a hard line over the right of a woman to choose. I think Bernie's hard line is on campaign finance reform. From what he said to the Post, he doesn't have many hard lines. He's pragmantic. I think pragmatic is OK. He's not my kind of leader because he's very soft on issues of social equality. I'll be looking for somebody else during the 2020 primaries but I think he can win the nomination by giving more socially conservative white voters a rest from "political correctness".
 

SneekyNinja

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There can be hard line liberals too. A lot of liberals have a hard line over the right of a woman to choose. I think Bernie's hard line is on campaign finance reform. From what he said to the Post, he doesn't have many hard lines. He's pragmantic. I think pragmatic is OK. He's not my kind of leader because he's very soft on issues of social equality. I'll be looking for somebody else during the 2020 primaries but I think he can win the nomination by giving more socially conservative white voters a rest from "political correctness".
It's weird.

They still won't answer about why their "hardline on campaign finance" Justice Democrats registered to receive unlimited Corporate money...

And they talk about distraction and delusion?
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
There can be hard line liberals too. A lot of liberals have a hard line over the right of a woman to choose. I think Bernie's hard line is on campaign finance reform. From what he said to the Post, he doesn't have many hard lines. He's pragmantic. I think pragmatic is OK. He's not my kind of leader because he's very soft on issues of social equality. I'll be looking for somebody else during the 2020 primaries but I think he can win the nomination by giving more socially conservative white voters a rest from "political correctness".
liar. nice try. ive never heard of that. ever. do i look like a fool to you?:lol:
 

st0wandgrow

Well-Known Member
I'm not posting this to be critical of Bernie. But will point out that this is more about Bernie's strategy to attract moderate conservatives to his "Our Revolution" reform movement than anything to do with the Democratic Party. The march rightward for the Bernie Sanders movement continues.

Sanders: Single-payer isn't a litmus test for Dems

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/348258-sanders-single-payer-isnt-a-litmus-test-for-dems

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said that supporting a single-payer healthcare system shouldn't be a litmus test for Democrats, but that he believed more members of the party will grow to back the policy in the future.

Sanders told The Washington Post that he’s building support for his “Medicare for All” bill, which would institute a single-payer health insurance system.

The former presidential candidate's backing for the policy has raised questions about whether he and his supporters might launch primary challenges against Democrats who do not back a single-payer plan.

But Sanders told The Post that healthcare, and support for a single-payer system, is just one issue for voters to consider.
“Is this a litmus test? No, you have to look at where candidates are on many issues,” Sanders said.

“But you’re seeing more and more movement toward ‘Medicare for All.’ When the people are saying we need healthcare for everyone, as more and more Americans come on board, it will become politically possible.”

Sanders did predict that Democrats in the future will likely have to back single-payer healthcare if they want to win elections.

“Could people run? Sure,” Sanders said of Democrats running for office without backing a single-payer system.

“Do I think they can win without supporting single-payer? I’m skeptical. Among the people who consider themselves progressive, who vote in the primaries, there’s clearly movement toward Medicare for All.”

Sanders plans on introducing his bill once the Senate returns from recess. He has been hosting town halls to draw attention to his plans.

The progressive senator said that the “landscape had changed” for single-payer during the GOP’s drawn-out battle to repeal and replace ObamaCare, which failed in the Senate earlier this month.

“People are saying ‘the ACA did some good things, and the Republicans wanted to throw 22 million people off of it,’” Sanders said. “That’s an absurd idea to most people.”

Universal healthcare plans like single-payer have gained traction among more progressive lawmakers, but have not yet earned the support of more moderate Democrats, who remain hesitant about the idea.
Are there any quotes from Bernie where he states that he would support a primary challenge for any dem that doesn't support Medicare for all? I haven't seen/heard him say that.

You seem to be trying to paint a picture of him moving towards the right, but I don't see any change in the policy positions that he ran on.
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
Are there any quotes from Bernie where he states that he would support a primary challenge for any dem that doesn't support Medicare for all? I haven't seen/heard him say that.

You seem to be trying to paint a picture of him moving towards the right, but I don't see any change in the policy positions that he ran on.
OK

If you don't see Bernie saying he would support a Democrat who didn't support single payer in the following statement then we simply can't agree.

Sanders told The Post that healthcare, and support for a single-payer system, is just one issue for voters to consider.
“Is this a litmus test? No, you have to look at where candidates are on many issues,” Sanders said.


“But you’re seeing more and more movement toward ‘Medicare for All.’ When the people are saying we need healthcare for everyone, as more and more Americans come on board, it will become politically possible.”

I'm listening to his recent statements and it seems to me that he's showing much more flexibility and willingness to compromise than his rhetoric last year would lead one to believe. Pad and tty are livid that I'm saying he's being pragmatic about single payer healthcare. As I see it, he's conceding to the reality that his single payer healthcare bill has little chance of passing now or even in 2018. In written policy positions, he hasn't changed. In speech and tone of statements, it seems to me that he's changing his stance to be more open to compromise.

For example, during the debate in January 2016, he ripped Clinton a new asshole over the ACA. He came across as totally against anything other than single payer. ever. Now, he's like: "well, OK, we can agree to disagree but I still support single payer myself."

http://time.com/4183990/democratic-debate-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-obamacare/

I don't think this is a bad thing. I am having fun poking at some of the more hyperbolic Sanders supporters who have been railing against the Democratic party about single payer healthcare. They go on and on about corrupt Democrats as if the Republicans didn't have anything to do with stopping it each and every time Democrats tried to get it passed into law. Yet, here we are. Sanders is not that much different in stance than Clinton. Except he's going to write a bill that will never see the light of day and he knows it.
 

st0wandgrow

Well-Known Member
OK

If you don't see Bernie saying he would support a Democrat who didn't support single payer in the following statement then we simply can't agree.

Sanders told The Post that healthcare, and support for a single-payer system, is just one issue for voters to consider.
“Is this a litmus test? No, you have to look at where candidates are on many issues,” Sanders said.


“But you’re seeing more and more movement toward ‘Medicare for All.’ When the people are saying we need healthcare for everyone, as more and more Americans come on board, it will become politically possible.”

I'm listening to his recent statements and it seems to me that he's showing much more flexibility and willingness to compromise than his rhetoric last year would lead one to believe. Pad and tty are livid that I'm saying he's being pragmatic about single payer healthcare. As I see it, he's conceding to the reality that his single payer healthcare bill has little chance of passing now or even in 2018. In written policy positions, he hasn't changed. In speech and tone of statements, it seems to me that he's changing his stance to be more open to compromise.

For example, during the debate in January 2016, he ripped Clinton a new asshole over the ACA. He came across as totally against anything other than single payer. ever. Now, he's like: "well, OK, we can agree to disagree but I still support single payer myself."

http://time.com/4183990/democratic-debate-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-obamacare/

I don't think this is a bad thing. I am having fun poking at some of the more hyperbolic Sanders supporters who have been railing against the Democratic party about single payer healthcare. They go on and on about corrupt Democrats as if the Republicans didn't have anything to do with stopping it each and every time Democrats tried to get it passed into law. Yet, here we are. Sanders is not that much different in stance than Clinton. Except he's going to write a bill that will never see the light of day and he knows it.
Did you see Kamala Harris is co-sponsoring Bernies Medicare for all bill? Excellent! I knew I liked her!
 
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