Save my ladies

whitebb2727

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I grow organic. I went to bottles for a while and said the he'll with it and went back to organic.

Get a bag of espoma garden tone. A pinch or two once a month and that's all they need. Its less than 10 bucks for 8 pounds at Wal-Mart.
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So much easier growing organic.
 

3LOC

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Ok, good info.

How often do you water exactly? I think I saw it somewhere. Is it every 3 days? 3 x's a week?
Regardless of nutes, can you be specific as to how many days it is between waterings using 1/2 gallon of water per plant in 4 gallon pots?
If it varies that's OK.
Roughly every 3days 2x a week would normally water 1 an feed the other
 

3LOC

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I would still cut back to 1/4 strength.

Half gallon a plant is not nearly enough.

The pot you are using holds a few inches of water in the bottom. That bottom will pop off. Then use a tray so you can empty.

If you thought you were over watering and cut back then most likely it chronic under watering.

If the soil drains good you really can't give it too much water in one watering.

Follow the tips I gave for proper watering and I think they will clear up.
Will do, I already pop the tops off set a wood block under pot to separate from tray. Also i trying cooling my water vs shed temp!!
 

Angus Hung

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I dont think you need a watering schedule, Try just watering them when they are dry (lift the pot, feel soil for moister dig a few inches into the soil) if there is any moister in the soil your good if its dry, and you cant feel any moister, then give a healthy watering, and empty tray from any run off.
 

Buba Blend

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I would still cut back to 1/4 strength.

Half gallon a plant is not nearly enough.

The pot you are using holds a few inches of water in the bottom. That bottom will pop off. Then use a tray so you can empty.

If you thought you were over watering and cut back then most likely it chronic under watering.

If the soil drains good you really can't give it too much water in one watering.

Follow the tips I gave for proper watering and I think they will clear up.
I am going to defer and watch how things progress. I stopped in to support the guy who thought overwatering and just to throw the opinion out there that I still felt it was overwatering. Maybe a debate we can have another time about watering 4 gallon pots. I don't use them. I use 3 gallon pots. A half gallon is 8 cups. In a 3 gallon pot it would be equivalent to 6 cups. I think 6 cups every three days in a 3 gallon pot would be overwatering. .
Maybe I also miss something about the pots he is using. You mentioned that they can hold water in the bottom? And do something about it popping off. I'm not sure now if they are regular black plastic pots as I thought they were or if there something else. But I'm going to defer and watch. Hopefully the information he posted above helps.
I have to edit something above. When I say overwatering I also have to include that it is specific to his root system that you know is only going to be partially developed. Compared to a thick root system.
 
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whitebb2727

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Instead of foxfarm nutes or soil because my soil is also foxfarm ocean forest.
Oh. Well that could be a problem also.

Depending on region some fox farm soil has been having ph issues from reports.

Fox farm soil has nutrients in it. It will feed for a while on its own.

I would use fox farm soil and add the espoma when the plants show signs of needing food.
I am going to defer and watch how things progress. I stopped in to support the guy who thought overwatering and just to throw the opinion out there that I still felt it was overwatering. Maybe a debate we can have another time about watering 4 gallon pots. I don't use them. I use 3 gallon pots. A half gallon is 8 cups. In a 3 gallon pot it would be equivalent to 6 cups. I think 6 cups every three days in a 3 gallon pot would be overwatering. .
Maybe I also miss something about the pots he is using. You mentioned that they can hold water in the bottom? And do something about it popping off. I'm not sure now if they are regular black plastic pots as I thought they were or if there something else. But I'm going to defer and watch. Hopefully the information he posted above helps.
I have to edit something above. When I say overwatering I also have to include that it is specific to his root system that you know is only going to be partially developed. Compared to a thick root system.
Are you organic?

8 cups if water in 4 gallons using salt based nutes would cause salt build up.

I use 8-10 cups in 10 inch pots.

I make mistakes. I very we could be wrong but I have to stick with chronic u der watering. The soil just looks so dry.
 

Buba Blend

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Oh. Well that could be a problem also.

Depending on region some fox farm soil has been having ph issues from reports.

Fox farm soil has nutrients in it. It will feed for a while on its own.

I would use fox farm soil and add the espoma when the plants show signs of needing food.

Are you organic?

8 cups if water in 4 gallons using salt based nutes would cause salt build up.

I use 8-10 cups in 10 inch pots.

I make mistakes. I very we could be wrong but I have to stick with chronic u der watering. The soil just looks so dry.
I don't use salt based nutes anymore.
The salt build up is not my strong suit if it affects watering and I'm sure it does.

I make lots of mistakes and there are no shortage of people to make sure I'm aware of that. I thought there was a chance we had it with the watering from below.
I've grown in ffof for over 15 years. I will never join the crowd that talks down about it, I think it's great and have endless pictures of xtal that so far has never been criticized.
I made my own soil and transplanted into it few days ago and have happy plants.
This grow I plan to go water only side by side, my soil and ffof comparison, I'm at the beginning of flowering.
I have grown water only in ffof with excellent results.
I grow 100% organic inside and out now.
I'd love the opinion of our two fellow growers who are fighting right now and would like to @ them, not a good time, if you were following the thread were they are fighting.
@ANC is a roots guy. I'd like his opinion on the roots that you and the OP like.
The pic posted by itself at 3LOC, Yesterday at 9:35 AM
I could be wrong about the roots, I just still think they should look better, they are no where near rot, I would not call them white, just me.
 

whitebb2727

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I don't use salt based nutes anymore.
The salt build up is not my strong suit if it affects watering and I'm sure it does.

I make lots of mistakes and there are no shortage of people to make sure I'm aware of that. I thought there was a chance we had it with the watering from below.
I've grown in ffof for over 15 years. I will never join the crowd that talks down about it, I think it's great and have endless pictures of xtal that so far has never been criticized.
I made my own soil and transplanted into it few days ago and have happy plants.
This grow I plan to go water only side by side, my soil and ffof comparison, I'm at the beginning of flowering.
I have grown water only in ffof with excellent results.
I grow 100% organic inside and out now.
I'd love the opinion of our two fellow growers who are fighting right now and would like to @ them, not a good time, if you were following the thread were they are fighting.
@ANC is a roots guy. I'd like his opinion on the roots that you and the OP like.
The pic posted by itself at 3LOC, Yesterday at 9:35 AM
I could be wrong about the roots, I just still think they should look better, they are no where near rot, I would not call them white, just me.
I'm sure fox farms is a good product but they have gotten so big that their soils come from different sources in different areas.

Your fox farm soil may not be the same as someone else's.

It may not be a problem now but for a while people were reporting problems with it depending on region.

I build my own soil. Compost pile and worm bin are great things to have.
 

Buba Blend

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I'm sure fox farms is a good product but they have gotten so big that their soils come from different sources in different areas.

Your fox farm soil may not be the same as someone else's.

It may not be a problem now but for a while people were reporting problems with it depending on region.

I build my own soil. Compost pile and worm bin are great things to have.
I want to do the worm farm but to keep it in my garage the temps hit the mid to upper 90's in there during the summer. Can't do it inside. Might try a simple one in September and see how it goes.
 

whitebb2727

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I want to do the worm farm but to keep it in my garage the temps hit the mid to upper 90's in there during the summer. Can't do it inside. Might try a simple one in September and see how it goes.
Check out the book "worms eat my garbage." it can be done inside and if done properly it doesn't smell.

People make foot stools and other things out of them.
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Buba Blend

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Oh. Well that could be a problem also.

Depending on region some fox farm soil has been having ph issues from reports.

Fox farm soil has nutrients in it. It will feed for a while on its own.

I would use fox farm soil and add the espoma when the plants show signs of needing food.

Are you organic?

8 cups if water in 4 gallons using salt based nutes would cause salt build up.

I use 8-10 cups in 10 inch pots.

I make mistakes. I very we could be wrong but I have to stick with chronic u der watering. The soil just looks so dry.
I just thought of something. We water differently. You water to runoff. I water to get the soil moist with no run off. Doesn't that change how we each look at the quantity of water we use. Different styles both work.
 

thcscreener

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After reading through. Initial post your pH is locking out nutrients. Mobile elements look to be lacking, and deterioration is from bottom going up. It does not look like overwatering since plant does not have overall slumping. Your roots look fine, they should be white with little yellow (your photo is adding yellow tinting). Your temps might also contribute to the nute lock out and changing your pH results.

I would not feed but just add 6 pH'd water, since your already in flower. Try not to exceed 6.5. Trim off the dead leaves/branches to focus growth on remaining buds and limits in plants flower lifecycle. You should see a difference in about a week with good light.

I the latest pics, plants look much healthier than the first pics. Don't add cal mag, replace and begin to use sweetner (mag with sulfer). Make best of the time left for flower.

Take a viable trim and start a new growth with better control of your pH. FYI... since its already in flower, the new trim will take some time to get back into veg to start new grow.
 
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whitebb2727

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I just thought of something. We water differently. You water to runoff. I water to get the soil moist with no run off. Doesn't that change how we each look at the quantity of water we use. Different styles both work.
I water like you. Sometimes to run off. I'm organic. It works with organics. My pots also hold water in the bottom like a hempy.

With salt based nutes you have to have run off. If not then you get salt buildup and lock outs.

My advice to the op is specific to the situation and nutrients used.
 

whitebb2727

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After reading through. Initial post your pH is locking out nutrients. Mobile elements look to be lacking, and deterioration is from bottom going up.

I would not feed but just add 5.8 pH'd water, since your already in flower. Trim off the dead leaves/branches to focus growth on remaining buds and limits in plants flower lifecycle.

I the latest pics, plants look much healthier than the first pics. Don't add cal mag, replace and begin to use sweetner (mag with sulfer). Make best of the time left for flower.

Take a viable trim and start a new growth with better control of your pH. FYI... since its already in flower, the new trim will take some time to get back into veg to start new grow.
What? Differnt plants. The op has some in veg and some in flower.

I also wouldn't trim them. Let the plant drop them.


I wouldn't recommend any of this.

Its soil. Organic. It will buffer ph unless its a bad batch.
 

thcscreener

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What? Differnt plants. The op has some in veg and some in flower.

I also wouldn't trim them. Let the plant drop them.


I wouldn't recommend any of this.

Its soil. Organic. It will buffer ph unless its a bad batch.


Continue on then.... with pH of 8 you mentioned.
 

whitebb2727

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I see the ph of 8 listed in the first post.

I figure the ph probe is bad.

If the soil is really a ph of 8 then there's not much to do. Its a bad batch. No way adding 5.8 ph water will help a thing.

The whole 5.8 is for hydro. Soil buffers ph and swings as it dries to allow proper nutrient uptake.

I would wager the build up of salt is causing a bad ph reading. A lot of those probe things are junk. I have one and its worthless.

Yea. I agree if the soil is ph of 8 it is bad but running 5.8 water won't fix it.
Continue on then.... with pH of 8 you mentioned.
 
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