secret of healthy soil: carbon hoarding
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MistaRasta
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Didnt watch the video, but yes. Carbon is very over looked in the organic world. What most people see as a P, K, Ca, or Mg deficiency(in the plant) is happening because there is a C deficiency in the soil.
Humates come from carbon, these and exudates are what feed fungi so they can keep cycling phosphorus so pottasium can move nutrients through the plant. People think P for some reason needs to be put back in their soil but this is far from the truth. Phosphorus is the only anion that stays put, its simply a matter of getting a good fungal population to break down and make the P available. This all starts with carbon.
You can also use sprouted grains high in Phosphatase. Since i started implementing sprouted rye my girls are CHUNKY. I also see bud set in 9 days using it.. Its got the highest amount of phosphatase in any grain you can find and its cheap.
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greasemonkeymann
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gotta say I have never ever ever heard of a carbon deficiency...
MistaRasta
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I can see why itd seem like i meant that the plant had a C deficiency. Definitely not the case, was talking about the soil. Edited the post, makes more sense now. Thanks Grease
greasemonkeymann
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but how?
damn near everything in a soil mix is carbon based, and the plant relies on CO2 for it's carbon
compost, peat, coco, etc.
that's all carbon.
also in a container plant why would the phosphorus not need to be replenished?
Perhaps confusing it with the fact that phosphorus is relatively binded in place, but that's binded to clay and organic material in order for the roots to absorb and be used.
in organic phosphorus (mineral phosphates) are broken down/absorbed to the surfaces of clay and organic material (where CEC is a major role)
but phosphorus absolutely will be used in a soil mix, not sure where you heard that it wasn't needed to be replenished.
But I also never heard about carbon-deficiency either.
greasemonkeymann
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and i'm not tryin to be argumentative, just confused a bit
coughphee.connoiseur
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How do you implement? sprouted tea? or you top dress or add to compost, or in soil mix ? Please share and thank you for this knowledge.
coughphee.connoiseur
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In regards to the sprouted rye
coughphee.connoiseur
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@Rasta Roy can you please do more than just like the questions that i asked. I don't care for likes as much as i care about knowledge & wisdom.
coughphee.connoiseur
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@Rasta Roy oh shit wait my bad yo ....NVM
MistaRasta
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1.) the carbon you first mix doesnt last..when N gasses off it takes C02 with it. Most of the materials in your pot dont have nearly enough carbon either..Especially if your plant outgrows the pot..
2.) I grow no till, which means i dont touch my rootball. The only way to ensure i get enough carbon is to top dress with high C:N items..
3.)Yes, the plant produces carbonic acids, does it do it as effectively as me putting woody mulch down on the top of my soil? No.
Didnt mean it didnt need to be replenished ever..more so that it cant just be washed out because of its binding abilities. It'll definitely be used up by the plant. How long this actually takes? Who knows..
C is an element in soil, just like K and N it plays an important role and can easily be pulled out of balance just like any others causing problems.
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coughphee.connoiseur
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lol
MistaRasta
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I buy sprouted rye. Grind it up and top dress 1/8-1/4 cup per 15 gallon pot. Water in once a week with aloe/silica/fulvic acid to see the magic really happen
coughphee.connoiseur
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Thank you, sounds like a great recipe. I have some aloe 200x powder its kinda old tho bout year so will have to get some more, silica i have agisil 16h hope that will do and some bio ag.
MistaRasta
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Dolomite = No No in my garden. Always throws Ca and K off. Way too much Mg. Tossed it and never looked back.
MistaRasta
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Agsil 16h is potassium silicate. Use this in conjunction with your fulvic from bio ag. Get some more aloe and you'll be set. The brew store down the street sells malted rye for 1.49 a lb.
I wouldn't be concerned, not with your mix with compost and worm stuff. Pretty much a non issue.
Same with me. My "humus" component of my mix is ~60% pine bark fines and ~40% homegrown vermicompost. I worry not about lack of carbon.
It IS confusing to think about it, till you realise your compost pile and worm bin are taking care of business.
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Rasta Roy
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Lol my bad dog. Me and @MistaRasta were talking about that shit earlier that's why I liked it. I have no experience with it sorry
coughphee.connoiseur
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Lol nah thats my fault i didnt pay close enough attention and shot off to quick. Its been a few days without.Lol my bad dog. Me and @MistaRasta were talking about that shit earlier that's why I liked it. I have no experience with it sorry