So who among you can make a legitimate argument for no government?

DiogenesTheWiser

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So many anarchists and libertarians fail to make a case for no government. Can anyone offer an argument with sources that no government would be a good idea?

Anyone who responds should also explain how we could transition from government to no government.
 

Rob Roy

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I would say that any government should have no more right to do anything than an individual person has, since it is mathematically impossible to do otherwise. If anybody can disprove that, I'd really be interested in seeing the proof.

Anybody?




So, the first question is, what are (should be) the limitations any person has to run another persons life ?
 

schuylaar

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So, the first question is, what are (should be) the limitations any person has to run another persons life ?
I knew it^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Does your wife wear the pants in the family? Lets you have your balls once in a while..you go get her purse and she takes them out for you?

That's the only thing I can come up with for your incessant preoccupation with 'any person has to run another persons life.

Pay your property taxes, Rob!
 

ttystikk

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So many anarchists and libertarians fail to make a case for no government. Can anyone offer an argument with sources that no government would be a good idea?

Anyone who responds should also explain how we could transition from government to no government.
Without Government there is nothing more than mob rule. Therefore the fellow who commands the biggest mob in the neighborhood has established a de facto government, so much for not having one.

Corporations have been created for centuries around the idea of bringing people and resources together for a common purpose and thereby creating more value than people working alone. A government is exactly the same idea, in their case the values created include security, opportunity, and mutual support.

Therefore government is a good idea. HOW that Government is operated and managed matters a great deal, of course- but the basic idea is sound and necessary. A village in the woods doesn't need much government, but a council of elders and/or a headman is a pretty universal feature of even the most primitive groups.

The larger a group of people gets, the greater the need becomes for an organization to protect the rights and serve the needs of this group. Again, it's not the basic concept but rather how it is done that matters most.

Nations of millions need a well developed governmental system for a myriad of reasons. It was the lack of such well organized and socially responsive government apparatus and business structures that was very likely the main reason the ancient world did not experience an Industrial Revolution around 1AD, give or take a century. Archeologists have confirmed that the necessary basic technologies certainly existed.

Today, the question is not at all whether we need government, but rather how it should be managed and how it should be held accountable to the people it is meant to serve.

/Thread.
 

schuylaar

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I'll go down to the basement and remove her rubber ball and see what she has to say.
Of anyone here, I'd love to see you IRL..I'm thinking wife let's you have a small area in the basement where you've papered the walls with Bigfoot pics and paraphernalia.
 
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schuylaar

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Without Government there is nothing more than mob rule. Therefore the fellow who commands the biggest mob in the neighborhood has established a de facto government, so much for not having one.

Corporations have been created for centuries around the idea of bringing people and resources together for a common purpose and thereby creating more value than people working alone. A government is exactly the same idea, in their case the values created include security, opportunity, and mutual support.

Therefore government is a good idea. HOW that Government is operated and managed matters a great deal, of course- but the basic idea is sound and necessary. A village in the woods doesn't need much government, but a council of elders and/or a headman is a pretty universal feature of even the most primitive groups.

The larger a group of people gets, the greater the need becomes for an organization to protect the rights and serve the needs of this group. Again, it's not the basic concept but rather how it is done that matters most.

Nations of millions need a well developed governmental system for a myriad of reasons. It was the lack of such well organized and socially responsive government apparatus and business structures that was very likely the main reason the ancient world did not experience an Industrial Revolution around 1AD, give or take a century. Archeologists have confirmed that the necessary basic technologies certainly existed.

Today, the question is not at all whether we need government, but rather how it should be managed and how it should be held accountable to the people it is meant to serve.

/Thread.
Bingo! You have @Rob Roy yearning, yet it would be anything but.

Awesome post:clap:
 

fdd2blk

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Without Government there is nothing more than mob rule. Therefore the fellow who commands the biggest mob in the neighborhood has established a de facto government, so much for not having one.

Corporations have been created for centuries around the idea of bringing people and resources together for a common purpose and thereby creating more value than people working alone. A government is exactly the same idea, in their case the values created include security, opportunity, and mutual support.

Therefore government is a good idea. HOW that Government is operated and managed matters a great deal, of course- but the basic idea is sound and necessary. A village in the woods doesn't need much government, but a council of elders and/or a headman is a pretty universal feature of even the most primitive groups.

The larger a group of people gets, the greater the need becomes for an organization to protect the rights and serve the needs of this group. Again, it's not the basic concept but rather how it is done that matters most.

Nations of millions need a well developed governmental system for a myriad of reasons. It was the lack of such well organized and socially responsive government apparatus and business structures that was very likely the main reason the ancient world did not experience an Industrial Revolution around 1AD, give or take a century. Archeologists have confirmed that the necessary basic technologies certainly existed.

Today, the question is not at all whether we need government, but rather how it should be managed and how it should be held accountable to the people it is meant to serve.

/Thread.

tl;dr

Poster is full of himself.
 

tampee

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Without Government there is nothing more than mob rule. Therefore the fellow who commands the biggest mob in the neighborhood has established a de facto government, so much for not having one.

Corporations have been created for centuries around the idea of bringing people and resources together for a common purpose and thereby creating more value than people working alone. A government is exactly the same idea, in their case the values created include security, opportunity, and mutual support.

Therefore government is a good idea. HOW that Government is operated and managed matters a great deal, of course- but the basic idea is sound and necessary. A village in the woods doesn't need much government, but a council of elders and/or a headman is a pretty universal feature of even the most primitive groups.

The larger a group of people gets, the greater the need becomes for an organization to protect the rights and serve the needs of this group. Again, it's not the basic concept but rather how it is done that matters most.

Nations of millions need a well developed governmental system for a myriad of reasons. It was the lack of such well organized and socially responsive government apparatus and business structures that was very likely the main reason the ancient world did not experience an Industrial Revolution around 1AD, give or take a century. Archeologists have confirmed that the necessary basic technologies certainly existed.

Today, the question is not at all whether we need government, but rather how it should be managed and how it should be held accountable to the people it is meant to serve.

/Thread.
No government needed just a sheriff to keep the peace. Government started prohibition not a sheriff government also prohibits prostitution and gambling and has us in endless wars.
 
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