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Soil Food Web Gardening with Compost Teas

Discussion in 'Organics' started by trichome fiend, Apr 26, 2011.


    NaturalFarmer Well-Known Member


    "Fish Hydrolysate based fertilizers

    AMAL GOLD ORGANIC PLANT SUPERFOOD (WET FORMULA) is a Cold Processed Hydrolysate made from 100% food grade fish protein. The protein is extracted from the frame of the fish after fillet removal. We process at a temperature of 150°F so we don’t destroy the essential nutrients, amino acids, enzymes, growth hormones and vitamins. The protein molecule is reduced to single monomer amino acids with the introduction of enzymes. The result is a 15% liquid amino acid organic food product for plants.
    The process breaks down the molecular bond of the protein making it easily absorbable by plants. We process within 90 minutes of the live fish being filleted. Fresh fish retains the vitamin and mineral wealth and does not smell. Oils and solids are removed to ensure the product flows through a 200 mesh screen. It is 100% water soluble.

    Fish Emulsion-based fertilizers

    Emulsions are products made from fish, too. The manufacturing process, however, is a little different. Manufacturers start by first removing the protein from the fish to sell as pet food or fish meal and removing the fish oil to make cod liver oil for human consumption. (The steam used to remove the protein is from chlorinated municipal water. The chlorine concentration can be as high as 14% in the final product!) Whatever remains after the removal of the protein and oil is then boiled down at high temperatures to a 50% solution. The resulting product is then packaged and sold as fertilizer.
    Evaporating liquid down to a 50% solution requires intense heat for a prolonged period of time! (350-450°F is typical) This level of heat destroys all amino acids, enzymes, growth hormones and vitamins. Salt concentrations also double after the boiling down process.
    Emulsions end up being thick like molasses. They smell badly and are hard to handle. They are known for clogging sprayers and getting stuck in holding tanks. They often contain heavy metals (like mercury) and PCBs.
    The effect of fish emulsion-base fertilizers on plant growth is marginal and can lead to soil contamination from the heavy metals, chlorine and salt content.

    Fish naturally contains approximately 2-3% nitrogen. If a company is selling a fish product and calling it an emulsion the product has been boiled down. The result is the heat sensitive compounds from the fish are denatured (destroyed), and the product cannot get the high nitrogen content in its analysis unless they add nitrogen from another source. If that source is urea or ammonium nitrate, you have a spiked product that is NOT ORGANIC."

    Rrog Well-Known Member

    Feather meal is for shit for same reason. I get feathers from local clean farmer.

    coughphee.connoiseur Well-Known Member

    Merry Christmas for those who celebrate it. Myself kinda... more so for the kids... I'm up an atom at work with my teenagers who are about to be adults.

    Anyways i was wondering if anyone has ever added essential botanicals and herbal oils to compost tea? at the end .... before applying foliar and or soil drench.

    for fungicidal purposes ( at least for me) is why i thought on this.

    I was thinking of using what i have on hand. some clove & cinnamon oil ... maybe some tea tree, eucalyptus, lemon grass, lavender.

    But i don't want to interrupt the bennies to much ... but i would imagine it would disturb it in some way.. but if population are in large amounts it should be good.

    Want to know what others think who share the some cultured methods of cultivation, so i brought my question here.
    mr. childs

    mr. childs Well-Known Member

    i recently put lavender, rosemary, & lemon eucalyptus essential oils in my 5 gallon jugs of fpe & ffj. this year i will more than likely spray the girls with the lavender & hydrogen peroxide mix outdoors for mites. also in the water that i bubble indoors i add lavender oil, doesnt bother the bennies from what i can see, but i am also feeding barley & enzymes, along with mycos in my tea.

    coughphee.connoiseur Well-Known Member

    Thank you for the feed back. When do you add the barley to your teas? I would guess towards the end yes? Final 1-2 hours i assume if you do.

    When you say enzymes your referring to the enzymes the barley give off correct?

    I like the mycos idea... haven't added to the end of brew but have made an instant tea with it as a stand alone with some agsil16h, and a little left over organic molasses (residue from the bottle)
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    mr. childs

    mr. childs Well-Known Member

    i feed the barley by topdressing the soil with pond zyme, and i also use 8th of a scoop to the 3 gallon of ready to use tea jug that has water in it that i've pumped out from the bigger aerated drum, all after letting the veg boost bubble in the 3 gallon for 24hours.

    beware of that ffj & fpe, shit reeks, even with the sweetness of the molasses & fruit juice & sugar to dull the funk. it gets kinda putrid at times.

    bungholio Member

    Reading through the post... Half way through and cannot wait to ask...

    Cocowater had come up a few times, Being too far north for any coconut trees to grow I got to think about birch tree sap.
    And was wondering if any of you guys ever tried or heard of that instead of coconut water.

    Mohican Well-Known Member

    Coconuts are giant seeds. The coconut water is full of seed enzymes that promote all types of growth.
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    Mary's Confidant

    Mary's Confidant Well-Known Member

    Somewhere in the middle of this thread, there was a lot of debate about the merit of AACTs, with people posting university findings debunking many of the claims. I skipped 10 pages after that and it had all but stopped being discussed. Where are people on this? I have already built my brewer and I've been using it on my veggie garden and all my plants look healthy but I'm hoping to see more studies posted.

    Does anyone have recent links with studies showing the efficacy? My teas are not a problem to brew but if it's wasted energy, I'd rather focus on other things around the garden (or perhaps increasing the size of my garden). My plants have responded well to my teas that have contained different blends of ingredients but, I could be attributing plant health to something undeserving.

    Just curious where everyone falls on this spectrum.
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