Some ?s about growing Autos

Budzilla420

Budzilla420

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Hey guys.

Been growing again after quite a while off. Autos back when I was growing were just starting to hit the scene heavy with the Lowryder stuff and what not. Coming back into it now it seems like every strain has an autoflower counterpart. Right now Ive got a Pineapple Express Auto flowering nice alongside a regular Green Love Potion and formerly a Blueberry Gum (hermed hard on me, cut it down tonight).

I was crushed losing the Blueberry. Blueberry strains have always been my favorites, even made my own really successful cross of a DJ Short Blueberry and a Nirvana (or maybe a Dutch Passion) White Widow, turned out really really awesome. Unfortunately lost the remaining seeds. Whatever.

The point is I wanna replace the Blueberry Gum I lost with a Blueberry Headband Autoflower. With my light running on a 12/12 cycle right now with the Green Love Potion, I wanna know if starting the autoflower from seed under 12/12 will cause it to prematurely flower, or anything of the sort. Id hate to lose 2 of my blueberry strains from my seed stash.

I feel like it should be fine, I mean they flower fine under 18/6 and I think I remember reading they arent at all photo sensitive, but just wanna be sure that seedling wont start flowering right away.

Thanks.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Budzilla420 said:
Hey guys.

Been growing again after quite a while off. Autos back when I was growing were just starting to hit the scene heavy with the Lowryder stuff and what not. Coming back into it now it seems like every strain has an autoflower counterpart. Right now Ive got a Pineapple Express Auto flowering nice alongside a regular Green Love Potion and formerly a Blueberry Gum (hermed hard on me, cut it down tonight).

I was crushed losing the Blueberry. Blueberry strains have always been my favorites, even made my own really successful cross of a DJ Short Blueberry and a Nirvana (or maybe a Dutch Passion) White Widow, turned out really really awesome. Unfortunately lost the remaining seeds. Whatever.

The point is I wanna replace the Blueberry Gum I lost with a Blueberry Headband Autoflower. With my light running on a 12/12 cycle right now with the Green Love Potion, I wanna know if starting the autoflower from seed under 12/12 will cause it to prematurely flower, or anything of the sort. Id hate to lose 2 of my blueberry strains from my seed stash.

I feel like it should be fine, I mean they flower fine under 18/6 and I think I remember reading they arent at all photo sensitive, but just wanna be sure that seedling wont start flowering right away.

Thanks.
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Autos will flower fine under any light schedule but will yield best results at 18 hrs on or more.

Many tests out there. They usually show that 20/4 is best. More light more plant with autos.
 
Budzilla420

Budzilla420

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Im growing for quality over quantity anyways, so losing some yield to a slightly smaller plant wont hurt my feelings long as its still quality.. I only have a 4'x2' tent and a 400w dimmable lamp right now, so 3 is the absolute limit for that (got a scrog screen built across the entire space in the tent, just to spread the branches a bit to let light hit the interior stuff). The PE will be done (or should be) in 2 and a half weeks so by that time the Headband will probably just be hitting the screen, itll work out perfect.

Appreciate the answer.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Serious. Don't do. 12/12. Just did it for a seed run. The 12/12 autos yielded a few joints. The same seeds under 19/5 and slightly bigger pots got 3 foot tall.

The key to big autos is large pots. 3-5 gallons. Run 18 or more light.

It is pointless to run 12/12 with autos. Its a waste. If 12/12 is necessary run photoperiod seeds.
IMG_20170215_211331.jpg this is one of the haze autos by dinafem. Blue amnesia xxl or amnesia xxl. Don't remember which.
 
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Budzilla420

Budzilla420

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Running photo seeds 12/12 from start would definitely be a waste wouldnt it? Theyd just start flowering from the start. Ive got a photo sensitive plant in the tent now, just starting its 3rd week of flower, if that, and Ive already popped the auto seed into a starter plug, so hands are kind of tied at this point. Gonna have to just go for it and hope for the best. Worst case it doesnt yield shit and Im out a whole $7 for the seed and a little time.

Gonna have to order a bunch of auto seeds so I can just rotate stuff in and out at will while keeping the lights up a bit.
 
ANC

ANC

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I would at a minimum grow it out for 2 weeks. My method produces a very big 2-week old seedling, but they are still immature. I'm not sure if there will be obvious changes between flipping before branches start appearing in an alternating pattern rather than pairs. Someone who has done it might be able to answer that.
 
Hi crazii

Hi crazii

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whitebb2727 said:
Serious. Don't do. 12/12. Just did it for a seed run. The 12/12 autos yielded a few joints. The same seeds under 19/5 and slightly bigger pots got 3 foot tall.

The key to big autos is large pots. 3-5 gallons. Run 18 or more light.

It is pointless to run 12/12 with autos. Its a waste. If 12/12 is necessary run photoperiod seeds.
View attachment 3976030 this is one of the haze autos by dinafem. Blue amnesia xxl or amnesia xxl. Don't remember which.
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Wow that plant makes me hungry :weed:, i should of started a amnesia auto from dinafem, but got OG kush auto and industrial plant auto, doing a journal on them also. how old is that plant.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Budzilla420 said:
Running photo seeds 12/12 from start would definitely be a waste wouldnt it? Theyd just start flowering from the start. Ive got a photo sensitive plant in the tent now, just starting its 3rd week of flower, if that, and Ive already popped the auto seed into a starter plug, so hands are kind of tied at this point. Gonna have to just go for it and hope for the best. Worst case it doesnt yield shit and Im out a whole $7 for the seed and a little time.

Gonna have to order a bunch of auto seeds so I can just rotate stuff in and out at will while keeping the lights up a bit.
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No they flower like autos when put right into 12/12.

I have had pretty good success doing this with sativa leaning hybrids. I would think a short indica would yield worse results.

I started a plant (as an example. I fill in space in flower if no veg plant is ready yet this way.

Anyway I transplanted up from cup to 1 gal to 3 gal just like in veg. Around day 21 from seed she flowered.

I compared 2 same strain seed plants and one I vegged 30 days and the other right in 12/12 and they both yielded a 1/4 lb. each. We were surprised.

The differences were that the 12/12 plant was weak stemmed and not as leafy. It needed much support and got stretchy.

The 30 day veg one was stout with bigger and more leaves. Thick strong stemmed and did not need support.

Of course the genetics and grow will greatly affect your results.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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ANC said:
I would at a minimum grow it out for 2 weeks. My method produces a very big 2-week old seedling, but they are still immature. I'm not sure if there will be obvious changes between flipping before branches start appearing in an alternating pattern rather than pairs. Someone who has done it might be able to answer that.
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I have been experimenting with veg time quite a bit. Longer veg to maturity seems to produce a better plant in all ways.

Less stretch in flower. Stronger branches. Better root ball going into flower so shorter flower times by about a week in my room compared to a stretching, rooting plant that is being trained.

And now that I mentioned it. They need less bending and training to keep shorter.

They also seem to have more potency and maybe more complex array of cannabanoids and terpenes.

Ed Rosenthal discovered and put in his book that longer veg plants have higher potency as flowers. And that the longer they vegged the more potent the plant became.

Of course genetics may prove more important here.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Hi crazii said:
Wow that plant makes me hungry :weed:, i should of started a amnesia auto from dinafem, but got OG kush auto and industrial plant auto, doing a journal on them also. how old is that plant.
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That plant is long been smoked. Went around 90 days or so.

The breeder times for autos are rarely right.

The tap root determines flower in Ruderalis. The larger the pot, the longer the veg time and bigger the plant.

Veg nutes until the end or at least until stretch stops extends veg time and makes bigger autos.

Switching to bloom feeds at first sign of flower will actually induce flowering faster.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Budzilla420 said:
Running photo seeds 12/12 from start would definitely be a waste wouldnt it? Theyd just start flowering from the start. Ive got a photo sensitive plant in the tent now, just starting its 3rd week of flower, if that, and Ive already popped the auto seed into a starter plug, so hands are kind of tied at this point. Gonna have to just go for it and hope for the best. Worst case it doesnt yield shit and Im out a whole $7 for the seed and a little time.

Gonna have to order a bunch of auto seeds so I can just rotate stuff in and out at will while keeping the lights up a bit.
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Actually, no.

They never flower from the start. The plant has to become sexually mature first. Most photoperiod seeds take 4-6 weeks to mature and start flowering.

I recommend 18/6 the first 3 weeks at least. They won't flower anyways and the extra light makes a difference.

Pure sativas being the exception. Most are equatorial and are used to 12/12 near year round. They are sorta auto flowering and will veg so long on 12/12 regardless.
 
Hi crazii

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whitebb2727 said:
That plant is long been smoked. Went around 90 days or so.

The breeder times for autos are rarely right.

The tap root determines flower in Ruderalis. The larger the pot, the longer the veg time and bigger the plant.

Veg nutes until the end or at least until stretch stops extends veg time and makes bigger autos.

Switching to bloom feeds at first sign of flower will actually induce flowering faster.
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Hopefully my plants should come off at 11 weeks, thanks for the advice, I'm doing organics, so I just let the plant do the eating.
 
Hi crazii

Hi crazii

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whitebb2727 said:
I grow organic myself.

I add extra alfalfa meal with autos for the extra N and extra veg time.
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I'm in Europe, we usually just stick to bio bizz range. I also add tea called biosys charge, which has all the funny stuff in it like beneficial bacteria, fungi and the biological catalysts. (humic acids, amino acids, seaweed extracts & more). Also mycrrohizzal fungi. There are also simmilar products yes like extreme gardening mykos. It helps with plant growth, wards of pathogens , just keeps the roots top in top notch. And it's also organic stuff. I call it plant steroids lol, and the air pots work wonders.
 
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