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Sure use cfls in there or If that's not enough throw an incandescent in there. The cfls would work better though because they could help supplement your blue spectrum a bit while adding heat. The spectrum supplement in sure is not needed but if your gonna use electricity I say kill as many birds with one stone as u can and cfls would hopefully deal with your heat issue and give u that little extra benefit

I would avoid high uv levels during veg I don't know enough about it to know if it's ok. Go talk to cannawizard he would be able to tell u

Kaptain Kron said:

I would avoid high uv levels during veg I don't know enough about it to know if it's ok. Go talk to cannawizard he would be able to tell u

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Thanks dude.

As im only doing 4 ladies for my first soil gro ill have a bit more room to lst them properly. I am eventually gonna scrog but i want to get used to soil first.

What would you recommend i do man as you seems to get the most out of your plants? I usually grow them to about 15" and then top them and lollipop them. Ive had a look on youtube though and they seem to start lst'ing them very early. I want something thats not to complicated but will still allow me to get the most out of my lights. I want an even canopy so i can get a good foot of space between the lights and the canopy I know how to supercrop also if you recommend that. Ive also seen people tie them down, let all the new shoots come up and tie that down and so on.

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Would you be so kind to tell me if you added far reds by LEDS or by reptile bulbs?
Many thanks
its just part of the spectrum of my light. they have 3 reds, 640, 660 and 740 (which is far red).
the LED's they use are not quite as efficient as the CREES that Mr X's unit uses, but it definitely reduces flowering time.

great shots again mr X! - and you're right, im about to stop using the first LED that i bought a couple years ago and get a new one which will probably give out 2 or 3 times the light for the same wattage used. thats progress for you

VG

that's what he said, anyway (the led light they talk about is evo led, uses cree xp-e like Richard does)

jubiare said:

Yesterday, 08:23 AM #182
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jubiare
Would you be so kind to tell me if you added far reds by LEDS or by reptile bulbs?
Many thanks
its just part of the spectrum of my light. they have 3 reds, 640, 660 and 740 (which is far red).
the LED's they use are not quite as efficient as the CREES that Mr X's unit uses, but it definitely reduces flowering time.

great shots again mr X! - and you're right, im about to stop using the first LED that i bought a couple years ago and get a new one which will probably give out 2 or 3 times the light for the same wattage used. thats progress for you

VG

that's what he said, anyway (the led light they talk about is evo led, uses cree xp-e like Richard does)

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Ok man thanks for that, the only evoled i can find is a site in spanish which i dont understand, thats the only evoled grow lights i can find:/. If i do have to go with led i think ill ask richard to knock me something up. I wonder how many watts ill need?

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Ok man thanks for that, the only evoled i can find is a site in spanish which i dont understand, thats the only evoled grow lights i can find:/. If i do have to go with led i think ill ask richard to knock me something up. I wonder how many watts ill need?

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You mean adding far reds to your panel? I think you wouldn't need more than 10 far reds chips to your panel configuration as you have it? Mind your panel have warm whites, they have some far reds in it, not much. Evo leds was only to point out a panel that uses the same cree xp-e red 630nm (half of your reds are those ones, the other half is hyper reds 660 kind, from ledenjin in your case)
I think in general, the options are, if you think of adding far reds, one is doing so by reptile heat bulbs and similar or adding them as leds, either by adding some to your panel or supplementing them with grow spots? I have seen on the lumigrow website a grow spot called far reds (740nm), but that's expensive I think. You could ask Richard what he thinks of that? He prob would say that is his view they are not so important, which might be legit, but might be not so legit?

I would suggest supercrop and ties of u don't wanna scrog. Best option for you. Topping not neccesary and slows growth and gives less tops than super crop. Topping is a complete waste IMO unless u need space

I did an experiment with two identical plants one topped one super cropped they are still goin but the super cropped one far surpasses the other topped one in yield already. They were he ones I was runnin in my micro grow. I gave em to my boy to finish flowering under hps. Lookin rely good

Kaptain Kron said:

I would suggest supercrop and ties of u don't wanna scrog. Best option for you. Topping not neccesary and slows growth and gives less tops than super crop. Topping is a complete waste IMO unless u need space

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Ok dude im all for trying new things, i have supercropped twice before on freak pheno's to keep them inline lol. Im vegging for about 12 weeks, when would you suggest ui start supercropping? Also will i still need to lollipop these?

Would you supercrop to say a 90 degree angle then tie to keep it at that angle? Im thinking if there at 90 degree angles ill get all the side branches shooting up

The tieing comes into play to pull branches left and right to keep ur canopy full. Some lollipop is always a good thing but you will need less because of the supercroppin. Don't tie the branches down per say super crop em down. Let em come back up just keep that canopy level. Sometimes u will tie down sometimes u won't sometimes u will tie to the left or right it's all on you with how that happens. Give the plant what u think is best. Super crop as young as possible it will allow way more laterals to pop off

jubiare said:

You mean adding far reds to your panel? I think you wouldn't need more than 10 far reds chips to your panel configuration as you have it? Mind your panel have warm whites, they have some far reds in it, not much. Evo leds was only to point out a panel that uses the same cree xp-e red 630nm (half of your reds are those ones, the other half is hyper reds 660 kind, from ledenjin in your case)
I think in general, the options are, if you think of adding far reds, one is doing so by reptile heat bulbs and similar or adding them as leds, either by adding some to your panel or supplementing them with grow spots? I have seen on the lumigrow website a grow spot called far reds (740nm), but that's expensive I think. You could ask Richard what he thinks of that? He prob would say that is his view they are not so important, which might be legit, but might be not so legit?

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Ok dude thanks for that info. I may add one of those heat bulbs when the temps really get low. I want to get a grow in where i can have the lights a foot from the canopy first as griffta flowered in the correct time with the same lights so height of the lights may make a difference, if then I still see slow results ill add some 740.

Height of lights absolutely does make a difference with led this could be your reason for long flower. Raised height gives better spectrum mixing and you need a minimum of 10-12 inches with any led ever made to get proper spectrum mixing. Your plants will respond better. L have some pics up a bit later of mine in week nine and I never ever have my panel closer than 10 inches without negative results such as early signs of nitrogen bein pulled from leaves by bleaching. Not enough to bleach nug but enough to get the leaves

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The tieing comes into play to pull branches left and right to keep ur canopy full. Some lollipop is always a good thing but you will need less because of the supercroppin. Don't tie the branches down per say super crop em down. Let em come back up just keep that canopy level. Sometimes u will tie down sometimes u won't sometimes u will tie to the left or right it's all on you with how that happens. Give the plant what u think is best. Super crop as young as possible it will allow way more laterals to pop off

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Ok man thanks for the advice. Would 4 weeks be a good time to start? I take it you super crop just the main top cola first then as the lower branches grow taller supercrop those to keep an even canopy? I can lollipop after all the supercropping is all done

What's your opinion of pruning fan leaves? I've read of a guy who prunes most of his during flower and says its given him a 25% increase in yield!

Start earlier when I said ASAP I mean if your running clones like 2 weeks maybe a week after transplant because as soon as you see lateral nodes not getting as much light as the top one it's time to change that. From seed it's going to be a bit longer before you would but start early as you feel comfortable. As for pruning I only prune large fans that block light to bud sites. Sometimes that's 20-60% of the large fan leaves it depends on how leafy your bitch is. Just don't get too crazy man prune thoughtfully. Only expose bud sites worth exposing. For examPle a month left and u wanna pull a fan that's blocking a teeny ass popcorn nug on the bottom just starting don't pull the fan pull the popcorn. It's a combo of all those things that's gonna yield the best and it's gonna be a balance that's going to be a bit different wih every strain

Kaptain Kron said:

Start earlier when I said ASAP I mean if your running clones like 2 weeks maybe a week after transplant because as soon as you see lateral nodes not getting as much light as the top one it's time to change that. From seed it's going to be a bit longer before you would but start early as you feel comfortable. As for pruning I only prune large fans that block light to bud sites. Sometimes that's 20-60% of the large fan leaves it depends on how leafy your bitch is. Just don't get too crazy man prune thoughtfully. Only expose bud sites worth exposing. For examPle a month left and u wanna pull a fan that's blocking a teeny ass popcorn nug on the bottom just starting don't pull the fan pull the popcorn. It's a combo of all those things that's gonna yield the best and it's gonna be a balance that's going to be a bit different wih every strain

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Thanks man that all makes sense. Basically i need an even canopy and lots of top bud sites As im vegging for 12 weeks ill probably start supercropping around week 5-6 as im growing from seed. Il then have another 6 weeks veg time to get as even and as full a canopy as i can

Yup play by ear u may start a bit sooner or a bit later but generally yea do it up man should come out nice

One of my grapegod seeds have popped so ive put the cube in the 15 ltr airpot. It took about 15 mins to fill the pot and soak the soil this morning and about 5 mins to put the cube in the pot. Thats it now for about 24 weeks No bucket changes, not constant ph and ec checking and most importantly no transplanting which is wrecking my ladies.

The undamaged OG18 is picking up again now, im gonna give the RKS untill tomorrow but i think most of it has died, its not crispy though just very limp and not picking up at all Never mind though if i just go with 2 plants i can really stretch them out and give them a light each. Im keeping a close eye on this damaged OG18 though as im still 99% certain it will hermie, i cant see how it wont after all the stress it went through. Ill probably give it another 24 hours then spray it with this dutch gold reverse stuff i bought, i thinkn the earlier you use this the better.

I have got rid of the RKS now so im left with 2 x OG18. Ive sprayed the damaged one with this reverse stuff so hopefully it will stop it producing male balls. The other OG i have stretched right out, i was a bit heavy handed and the stem at the top has split a little bit, im hoping this wont cause me any problems with this one also, it would heartbreaking to not get anything through flower undamaged. You have to live and learn though.

Another grapegod has popped so ill be putting her in an airpot shortly

No words man I split branches all the time supercroppin if it's real bad prop it up and tape it it will heal right back up. Ive NEVER had the transplant issues your having. I'm not sure I understand why u were transplanting with hydro. Hydro u should never transplant always start in your finishing pot. I put my plants through lots of stress bending super cropping and tearing the rootball to shreds before I transplant it. It's sad for a day and then beasting out hard as fuck and growing new roots. Keeps it from gettin rootbound in soil. Sucks to hear of such problems when there's no good reason for it

Kaptain Kron said:

No words man I split branches all the time supercroppin if it's real bad prop it up and tape it it will heal right back up. Ive NEVER had the transplant issues your having. I'm not sure I understand why u were transplanting with hydro. Hydro u should never transplant always start in your finishing pot. I put my plants through lots of stress bending super cropping and tearing the rootball to shreds before I transplant it. It's sad for a day and then beasting out hard as fuck and growing new roots. Keeps it from gettin rootbound in soil. Sucks to hear of such problems when there's no good reason for it

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I use air curtains in my buckets, as the roots get bigger during veg they wrap around the curtains. Also i have only have a crappy pump which does not empty the buckets properly so when i transfer into the flower cab i like to use a new bucket. My problems arise as i lift the plant out and my misses trys to disconnect the air curtains and untangle them from the roots, we are really carefull put for some reason we always seem to get damage I think somehow we alwasy end up ripping a few roots from the plant.