strain hype

Maybe because the money side of it is so easy ?
Buy some packs, make seeds, steal/make pics of the seeds you wanna sell, poof you have a business.
All that's left is a cookie based marketing scheme, some fancy words, and explosive names.

By the time people start noticing something is wrong, you already shift the blame on the grower, make new lines, swear they are better, steal some more pics, and away we go

Only today I realize how elite clones are so rare, that breeders/dealers that claim to have them, I'd put my trust in 5% of them maybe.
When we popped seeds 15-20 years ago we got consistent fire, means either the guy had the clone (when the genetics are on your side humans can't really fuck it up too bad) or someone did his job right, I'll let you decide.
So in today's market, it's still the same, either they don't have the clone, or they don't do the work.
And why one would ? When all the knowledge on forums and people points everyone to "hunt" and purchasing better lights or improving growing skills, genetics is being left aside to abuse.
We forgot that's the most important thing !

People fell for the hype, and if someone dare say something about the money industry behind it all you get is, well you need to hunt more or your grow wasn't dialed in.. huh ?
Is this world moving forward or backwards sometimes it's blurry to me.
Why when we were young and stupid we didn't hunt and didn't dial in nothing but got fire ?
Hear the 95% of people go quiet when you ask this question, the 5% that's left is where you should put your money.

When you research about breeders you will start to notice who is just pollen chucking (which is a good thing if he has the elite clones he claims) or working lines to some sort of (effect, looks etc) or just using names with plants that don't even resemble the elite they are supposed to be, well maybe in pics on ig they do lol

Drug type plants today are hard to find indeed, most breed for name and looks, and if you find it weak and not good the only thing have to say to you is you grew it wrong ))

DanKiller said:

Why when we were young and stupid we didn't hunt and didn't dial in nothing but got fire ?
Hear the 95% of people go quiet when you ask this question, the 5% that's left is where you should put your money.
Drug type plants today are hard to find indeed, most breed for name and looks, and if you find it weak and not good the only thing have to say to you is you grew it wrong ))

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When they started the feminized breeding, auto breeding, crossing poly hybreds to poly hybreds, breeding for smoothness, breeding for taste, breeding for looks, and maybe ? breeding under led's. I tried to raise a red flag and got dissed by most of them who were using and promoting these breeding ways. I stated time will tell, well time is here and these practices have proven detrimental to the overall breeding scene. Where are the new elite strains created by these new ways of breeding? Can they best a proper F1 hybred? or a nicely worked inbred line? You did not have to pheno hunt a proper F1 or a true inbred line made the old fashioned way. Now I see strains {lines} made from old F1 hybred lines and old elite clones selfed and passed off as strains or varieties, thats not the way to create the best. You are right in thinking you should not have to dial everything to perfection, and search though 100s of seeds to find something decent, choose your seed source carefully.

Mason Jar 92705 said:

Talk is cheap…have you you ever germinated seeds that are 20 + years old?

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Yeah my thoughts exactly. All these been collectors/hoarders bragging about keeping a pack in the fridge for 20 years.
Come the hell down from there. How viable and old were they when they got put in the fridge?
How do you know they will even pop as 20 years in an OLD fridge means stuff all.

If you are in the business of putting beans in the fridge and TALKING about it 20 years later that’s a pretty lame achievement.
Why didn’t you grow that bomb strain for 20 years and have an IBL by now?
I am personally sick of all the 20-30 year old bean stories. It’s all whack.

decrepit digits said:

When they started the feminized breeding, auto breeding, crossing poly hybreds to poly hybreds, breeding for smoothness, breeding for taste, breeding for looks, and maybe ? breeding under led's. I tried to raise a red flag and got dissed by most of them who were using and promoting these breeding ways. I stated time will tell, well time is here and these practices have proven detrimental to the overall breeding scene. Where are the new elite strains created by these new ways of breeding? Can they best a proper F1 hybred? or a nicely worked inbred line? You did not have to pheno hunt a proper F1 or a true inbred line made the old fashioned way. Now I see strains {lines} made from old F1 hybred lines and old elite clones selfed and passed off as strains or varieties, thats not the way to create the best. You are right in thinking you should not have to dial everything to perfection, and search though 100s of seeds to find something decent, choose your seed source carefully.

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Reality don't lie, I prefer to believe my eyes and common sense before I believe stories and hype on the interwebs.
In the past I never used to dial it in, or even worry about the environment, sure it can always be better in terms of growing skill, but the product was always superior, and let me tell you something, it wasn't me that made it superior, it was the genetics.
Hunting is BS, if a breeder respect himself and his work, every seed that he sell needs to be a winner in a way, I mean in a way that every seed has effect, smell, taste, with a slight variation between them.
If you pop a pack of from a breeder and don't find anything don't change packs change breeders !

I don't think there's anyone left in the game that thinks about the end product someone else grows, money has got everyone buzzed
It's like breeders signed a secret covenant between themselves to not make good seeds..
When you ask them they will tell you oh but we're breeding for taste.. or structure.. what are you breeding a super model ? A new candy cone ?
This is weed... if your seeds don't hit the mouth, head and nose, and yield and structure are your main selling points about your seeds then you should go sell eggs or something

Btw, there's nothing wrong about fem breeding, my best grows and smokes came from fem seeds, when they are done right, with 2 elite clones or a selfed one, no doubt a lot of gems are to be found there
The thing is like we said above, 99% of them don't use the original clone they claim, probably S1 or just a cut of the genetics that don't even come close, but looks the same.

DanKiller said:

Reality don't lie, I prefer to believe my eyes and common sense before I believe stories and hype on the interwebs.
In the past I never used to dial it in, or even worry about the environment, sure it can always be better in terms of growing skill, but the product was always superior, and let me tell you something, it wasn't me that made it superior, it was the genetics.
Hunting is BS, if a breeder respect himself and his work, every seed that he sell needs to be a winner in a way, I mean in a way that every seed has effect, smell, taste, with a slight variation between them.
If you pop a pack of from a breeder and don't find anything don't change packs change breeders !

I don't think there's anyone left in the game that thinks about the end product someone else grows, money has got everyone buzzed
It's like breeders signed a secret covenant between themselves to not make good seeds..
When you ask them they will tell you oh but we're breeding for taste.. or structure.. what are you breeding a super model ? A new candy cone ?
This is weed... if your seeds don't hit the mouth, head and nose, and yield and structure are your main selling points about your seeds then you should go sell eggs or something

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A few old school guys that never touch hype stuff much but i agree there very few and far between you know the whole extracts craze started the breeding for flavour more than anything just like cookies and insta makes more breed for looks in my opinion sure you got some lines back in the day that were a lil milder and more about the taste like mango blueberry cali orange for example but they still had a quality effect too might not be day ending potency but still nice all the same

They all met a certain std as you are saying indeed, some were stronger and some were more daytime but they all rocked in their unique way and that's why even a milder cut if its choosen from selection to represent the best of this milder genetics it will be high quality in it's regards no doubt, just not as strong like others, that's when thc numbers really said something to growers, now they don't say shit, 10% weed is stronger then 35% weed, etc..
I think breeders in the old days just made sure their plants have effects before anything else.
Now it's just not a thing.