Subcools Recipe and Humic Acids

Thistle

Member
Ive noticed that humic acids dont come in '100%'. And Subcools recipe calls for powdered humic acid. Ive been leaning towards Natures Nog or Bioags HumiSolve and Ful-Power. Any suggestions? Should I not worry too much about this?

If I go with one of these products, do I use Subcools recommended dosage or the dosage on the bag?

Thanks!
 

woodsmaneh!

Well-Known Member
Quality:

Not all the products on the market under the name Humates are of a high quality.
There are several different chemical structures of Humic Acid. The more concentrated forms are the best and in the long run, and can be the cheapest.
The first, is fossilized brown oxidized lignite or Leonardite. This product has 30- 40% humic acid content, 30-40% of mineral part -ash, and the balance is presented by unknown ballast substances. Recommended application norms of these products are very high, because humic acids in them are insoluble and are not in an active form. Mineral content of these products have metals which bind to humic acids. Long time usage of these products pollutes the soil


The second group is produced in the common method of treatment of lignites with concentrated alkalines. The content of Humic acids of these products is within the level of 20-30%. Humates here are in active form, but they still have a high content of ballast and ash, which causes above mentioned problems


The third group of Humates is produced in the way of treatment of brown lignite or Leonardite with alkaline solutions. These Humates are high quality products, because they are free from ballast, but they are very expensive and difficult to transport and handle. Moreover the production process leaves a lot of waste.


The fourth group are Humates produced from a high quality tested lignites, with 70% humic acid content, 12% mineral ash part and 18% organic ballast. These soluble products are in powder form with 75-85% of Humic acids.Only two products meet those requirements; these come from East Siberia, Russia and N.W. New Mexico; these are freshwater deposits and have the highest percentage of low molecular weight humic acids, generally referred to as Fulvic acids.


Fulvic acid is the acid radical found in humic matter which is soluble in alkali, acid, methyl ethyl ketone, and methyl alcohol.

Fulvates are the salts of fulvic acid.
Both fulvic and humic acids found in soil, result from the chemical and biological degradation of dead organisms.
Fulvic acids provide multiple and natural chemical reactions in the soil, instigating positive influences on the plants' metabolic processes.
Fulvic acidis especially active in dissolving minerals and metals when in solution with water. The metallic minerals simply dissolve into ionic form, and disappear into the fulvic structure becoming bio-chemically reactive and mobile. The Fulvic acid actually transforms these minerals and metal into elaborate fulvic acid molecular complexes that have vastly different characteristics from their previous metallic mineral form. Fulvic acid is nature's way of "chelating" metallic minerals, turning them into readily absorbable bio-available forms.Fulvic acid readily complexes with minerals and metals making them available to plant roots and easily absorbable through cell walls. It makes the actual movement of metal ions that are normally difficult to mobilize or transport. such as iron, easily transportable through plant structures.It allows minerals to inter-act with one another, breaking them down into the simplest ionic forms, chelated by the fulvic acid electrolyte. Fulvic acid is a natural organic electrolyte.An electrolyte is a substance that is soluble in water or other appropriate medium that is capable of conducting electrical current. Fulvic acid has proven to be a powerful organic electrolyte.Fulvic acids also dissolve and transpose vitamins, coenzymes, auxins, hormones and natural antibiotics that are generally found throughout the soil, making them available. These substances are effective in stimulating even more vigorous and healthy growth proceeding certain bacteria, fungi, and actinomyceles in decomposing vegetation in the soil.
It has been determined that all known vitamins can be present in healthy soil .Plants manufacture many of their own vitamins with those from the soil further supplementing the plant. Upon ingestion these nutrients are easily absorbed by animals and humans, due to the fact that they are in perfect natural plant form as nature intended.

The majority of research and experimentation on fulvic acid, has been done in relation to plants. Yet humans have been ingesting fulvic acid complexes regularly for over 60 years in supplemental form, and for thousands of years from natural food and plant sources.


Testimonials continue to show that the beneficial properties relating to plant and cell studies, hold true in relation to animal and humans as well.
 

Thistle

Member
Right. So I take it that the "1 lb humic acid" on ebay for $5 is probably not as good of quality as HumiSolve.... Probably be off good with some kelp/humic mix. Thanks for that in depth explanation. Cleared up some fuzzy spots. Thank you both for your input! Greatly appreciated.
 

Wetdog

Well-Known Member
Right. So I take it that the "1 lb humic acid" on ebay for $5 is probably not as good of quality as HumiSolve.... Probably be off good with some kelp/humic mix. Thanks for that in depth explanation. Cleared up some fuzzy spots. Thank you both for your input! Greatly appreciated.
You got it. Go with the HumiSolve, BioAg is top shelf. I'm looking at the kelp/humic mix also.

Wet
 

ClamDigger

Active Member
i read somewhere that oak leaves have humic acid in them..
my current compost pile has 20 gallons of washed bull kelp fresh from the ocean :D
im currently working on a worm farm and im wondering if anyone knows if this is the most effective way to get the humic acid out of the oak leaves?
thanks
great post woodsman +rep
 

cowboylogic

Well-Known Member
i read somewhere that oak leaves have humic acid in them..
my current compost pile has 20 gallons of washed bull kelp fresh from the ocean :D
im currently working on a worm farm and im wondering if anyone knows if this is the most effective way to get the humic acid out of the oak leaves?
thanks
great post woodsman +rep
Its already in the broken down compost. A simple compost and worm casting tea contains both humic and fulvic acid...or simply incorporating some compost into your medium mix.
 

FELIX HUANG

Member
i read somewhere that oak leaves have humic acid in them..
my current compost pile has 20 gallons of washed bull kelp fresh from the ocean :D
im currently working on a worm farm and im wondering if anyone knows if this is the most effective way to get the humic acid out of the oak leaves?
thanks
great post woodsman +rep
You can put one or two tons of oak leave on your farm land and then use a garden tiller to till them...after two or three months...the leave will contain humic acid..
 
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