Subdioeciousism in female cannabis plants

It is thought by some botanists, and biologists, that cannabis, should actually be classified as being gynsubdioecious. There seems to be evidence that most, if not all, female plants will hermie in the right conditions. This seems to be a survival trait, and thus would qualify the plant as showing a preference for gynsubdioeciousism, that is, the female plants have the potential to produce male flowers. It seems to be a genetically linked trait, activated and propagated by females which have had that gene activated, as hermie plants (plants that hermie easier than the others) seem to produce exclusively hermie females. It happens with practically every strain i have heard of, though some strains have been so thouroughly breed that the trait is minimized.

It would be nice to see a breeding program dedicated to eliminating the hermie trait from most plants, thugh it could be seen as desireable within the ruderalis/auto-flower plants for those doing a more guerilla growing operation, as it could quickly be allowed to behave like the 'weed' it really is.

So, as far as hermie plants go, what strains have you found to be more or less susceptable to finding females with balls? It seems to be the more genetically diverse, the higher the likelihood of the plant going hermie.

Thanks for the hermies mother nature!

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woodsmantoker said:

Thanks for the hermies mother nature!

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LOL...

Hey, as far as the plant is concerned... it is just assuring it continues to exist... never a problem there lol....

Keep in mind, plants which hermie, and produce seeds are almost guaranteed to produce hermie plants, though some may stay female if handled with some VTLC... there are also 'seed treatments' which supposedly will only allow female plants, though have heard a lot of these like to hermie as well due to the massive changes within the seed. It also lowers germination rate greatly. Though these 'treated' seeds will almost exclusively produce females, there is still the concern of other genetic changes, due to the nature of the treatment chemical.

This is why I prefer old fashioned bred and grown marijuana, where you pick out the male plants, and neuter the hermies....

I mean, it would be absolutely amazing to get some ruderalis based strains to hermie for guerilla grow ops... just imagine, plant a handful of seeds, and end up with a field full of good bud....

parabear said:

I mean, it would be absolutely amazing to get some ruderalis based strains to hermie for guerilla grow ops... just imagine, plant a handful of seeds, and end up with a field full of good bud....

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Yeah and field full of hermie-ass ruderalis pollinating everyone else's crops. Sounds like a nightmare to me...there goes the gene pool.

"Yeah and field full of hermie-ass ruderalis pollinating everyone else's crops. Sounds like a nightmare to me...there goes the gene pool."

Not likely: Evolutionary changes are adaptations; however the "genetics" to do this were already there. Not made nor destroyed, simply brought forth. Traits of which can be induced to occur and or reversed through breeding.
Ruderalis's "ability" is due to need. Forced by environmental changes, the cannabis plant evolved into sub species based on such environments as those which hold the land race genetics today. Over a period of time, ruderalis plants would not flourish everywhere as they are not the desired traits for every environment.

I completely respect the fear of invasive species however, and couldn’t (given certain variables) say it’s impossible.

I agree with the above, though I think that if people start filling fields with these seeds there will be acclimatization and natural selection going on. There are still patches of it growing wild throughout the U.S. and Canada from hemp farming days gone by. Unfortunately, in a northern climate, a few generations of this will turn it into an incredibly hardy plant with low potency. I think the ruderalis characteristics would help it to become established, especially if it's dropping seed twice a year. If someone's been selectively breeding outside to keep THC up, some ditch weed pollen is pretty unwelcome to the mix.
On the other hand, fields full of hemp growing everywhere may keep the cops busy...

freddiemoney said:

Yeah and field full of hermie-ass ruderalis pollinating everyone else's crops. Sounds like a nightmare to me...there goes the gene pool.

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hermies typically do not put out much pollen, as they typically have few male flowers, and on a ruderalis autoflower strain, would have even less. Even on a hermie plant leaving a few male parts on in an indoor grow results in very few seeds. One also has to keep an eye on the time frame of viability of the plants. Most serious grows are done indoors, as well as most of the actual genetics portions. At least serious growers and breeders do this. Outdoor grows are generally intended to produce volume, not quality. Also, an autoflower plant would only produce and have pollen dispersed over an entire week, and the big reason to do this would be for growers in places where it is not exactly allowed... so a few small guerilla patches of an autoflower hermie would really only harm drug dealers and cultivators... and sorry, but hey dealers, perhaps you should grow some better product and keep a step ahead of the competition... perhaps greenhouse, if you want loads of volume and quality... and if done right no need to worry about wild pollination happening, which in an illicit industry is something you just gotta deal with.

Also like I said, bag seed is a poor choice for anyone to grow in terms of desiring quality bud... the gene pool is locked up where nobody can see it... the shit growing in the field, is not breeding stock... and most growers, keep seed production environmentally controlled as it is.

freddiemoney said:

I agree with the above, though I think that if people start filling fields with these seeds there will be acclimatization and natural selection going on. There are still patches of it growing wild throughout the U.S. and Canada from hemp farming days gone by. Unfortunately, in a northern climate, a few generations of this will turn it into an incredibly hardy plant with low potency. I think the ruderalis characteristics would help it to become established, especially if it's dropping seed twice a year. If someone's been selectively breeding outside to keep THC up, some ditch weed pollen is pretty unwelcome to the mix.
On the other hand, fields full of hemp growing everywhere may keep the cops busy...

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Most serious breeders keep it indoors, in a tent... if one is concerned about genetics, you don't keep selectively breed candidates in an uncontrolled environment for that very reason. Also in some climates, ruderalis would be dropping seed more than twice a year... granted most of the bud and seeds would be eaten by deer and other animals if the field was reoccurring or established enough. The best part about guerilla grows, if the police are just overwhelmed with the amount, it makes enforcement virtually useless, because they will be distracted like you pointed out. Would make enforcing the laws so cost prohibitive, that it would essentially become like it did in cali during the 90's, where possession became virtually unenforced because it was taking up too many resources. Overwhelm the oppositions resources, you win the war. Like I mentioned before, breeding stock SHOULD be segregated and in a controlled environment. One should test samples outdoors sure. But there are plenty of other ways to ensure your field stays clear. Pollen from a ruderalis really is limited in range due to being released MUCH closer to the ground. Lots of tall grass and shrubs will disrupt long range deposits of pollen from happening. Even outdoor grown crops, on seperate ends of the fields, would barely pollenate the plant on the other.