Sudden drooping of buds an leaves...

Hi, I was away for the weekend and everything looked ok...when I came back everything was hanging and collapsed...
I went and installed lots of sticks and support...
I am growing in coco with wilma system so the run off goes back in tank...
Have anybody got a clue...all the branches are very lifeless and buds and leaves are hanging...
It is not any pest, or temp problem...it can be a that I have touched the nob of the timer with my back and the pumps been running for too long intervals ,but I am not sure because I touched the timers when got back installing the sticks and the timer fell on the floor from the socket and then I realized that I have been rubbing on the timer...so maybe before the weekend all ready...but if somebody have had something like this and found out the reason for their event ,it would be nice to hear and add possible causes to the list...I am not going to post pics quite yet...

...so the branches and everything is rubbery and lifeless

Phytium hater said:

...so the branches and everything is rubbery and lifeless

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Sounds like overwatering.
Whats the oxygen like in your wilma?
How many litres is its capacity?

Sounds like you overwatered or have root rot.

The water temps were ok?
Root problem possibly.

I have 8 air stones in each tank and water chillers tank size 180 liters (47.5 gallons)...so water temps are spot on 19 celcius

I smelled for root rot , all smells clean...some tips are showing and they look white..

Phytium hater said:

I smelled for root rot , all smells clean...some tips are showing and they look white..

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I havnt used a wilma. Aren't there holes where the roots grow down and meet the reservoir?
I had a waterfarm, with these pots, they called sock pots. My roots outgrew the hole to the reservoir and constricted themselves.
Have you checked anything like that?

....not regarding this but how many of you have again and again...not in the same way but in somehow similar fucked up your crops in a greed for better harvest and gone against the fertilizer brands recommendations of how and when to use PK products...(my last harvest I did all went smooth...this one I think I skipped the part when I added even an other PK product to the tank ,without emptying it first....it all went smooth untill now when there is still like 3-4 weeks left...and leaves become yellow and falling out...and I am like ,should I try to rinse or not...well I didn't just emptied some amount and added regular nutrients instead to get more N to the game...but naah..and now this shit on top of that problem...fuck !!!

Tim1987 said:

I havnt used a wilma. Aren't there holes where the roots grow down and meet the reservoir?
I had a waterfarm, with these pots, they called sock pots. My roots outgrew the hole to the reservoir and constricted themselves.
Have you checked anything like that?

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Wilma can be used as constant flow also as hydro, but I am using coco with some perlite so I have timers for pumps 2 min. every 7-10 hours depends a bit...pot size is now 11 liters

Ok. Mine were 18L pots, with a 6 inch diameter cylindrical hole that met the reservoir . With a 200litre res. The roots overgrew the hole. They got so tight they started suffocating.

if you had like the hydro balls in your pots, you can put the copper coated net fabric which they use in auto pot system at the bottom and then they wont grow out of the pot, I used usually just some mosquito net , it don't have the same 100 proof stopping effect as the copper coated fabric net has but at least it is easy to find...and works pretty good..

Phytium hater said:

if you had like the hydro balls in your pots, you can put the copper coated net fabric which they use in auto pot system at the bottom and then they wont grow out of the pot, I used usually just some mosquito net , it don't have the same 100 proof stopping effect as the copper coated fabric net has but at least it is easy to find...and works pretty good..

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Nice. Good info man.
Rubberyness is usually over watering or not enough oxygen.
All a little odd.
Ppm's are fine?
Tried a fresh change?

Yep , I did in some amount of res change...but done things like complete regular res changes in the past and pumping seriously expensive nutrients in to the drain whit question mark results...like canna boost which is dam expensive to throw away....anyway where I was going with this is that if they show some amount of recovery I will empty reservoir and add AN Overdrive to the tank for the finishing...I had Buddhas Three PK (maybe soime lef overs from the early AN big Bud in the tanks too) now just basic Canna Coco etc. because of the yellowing I got scared..

...ppm's fine...been adding just water once in a while if ppms gone up..(yep sing of none usable left overs in tank if ppms are rising..noted ,still not acting on it because I think I can go against the rules and know it all---lol)

Phytium hater said:

Yep , I did in some amount of res change...but done things like complete regular res changes and pumping seriously expensive nutrients in to the drain whit question mark results...like canna boost which is dam expensive to throw away....anyway where I was going with this is that if they show some amount of recovery I will empty reservoir and add AN Overdrive to the tank for the finishing...I had Buddhas Three PK (maybe soime lef overs from the early AN big Bud in the tanks too) now just basic Canna Coco etc. because of the yellowing I got scared..

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Might be worth just backing off the ppm too. See if there's a change.
You can always top it off anyway. Dont think it'd hurt em.

Tim1987 said:

Might be worth just backing off the ppm too. See if there's a change.
You can always top it off anyway. Dont think it'd hurt em.

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Yes done that too of course...I think 2 major things NO 1. fucking with the nutrient companys recommendation and adding 2 different company PK product too early again in the tank...why been getting some good results with it many times...I ques should have pumped the first one out before pumped the other in...or not go against the recomendations in the first place.(OK THERE IS 2 ALLREADY IN THAT ONE SO 3 ALL TOGETHER...)
NO 2. not paying attention when working in the tent that I might poke the timer nobs with my ass...those are the main reasons I came up with...they might be the ones but to be 100 % we might newer know....but there isn't really any much other possibilities IMO

Phytium hater said:

Yes done that too of course...I think 2 major things NO 1. fucking with the nutrient companys recommendation and adding 2 different company PK product too early again in the tank...why been getting some good results with it many times...I ques should have pumped the first one out before pumped the other in...or not go against the recomendations in the first place.(OK THERE IS 2 ALLREADY IN THAT ONE SO 3 ALL TOGETHER...)
NO 2. not paying attention when working in the tent that I might poke the timer nobs with my ass...those are the main reasons I came up with...they might be the ones but to be 100 % we might newer know....but there isn't really any much other possibilities IMO

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Sweet.
Sounds like ya got things covered
Happy grow.

When you feel like doing silly..know that there is always somebody who have done the silliness before you so you don't have to...
but in anything...why am doing silly experiments...I am newer been100 satisfied with my grows..what I mean its constant search for the ultimate ride...like in Point Break movie (the original of course...not stupid new version)...
the only way to find better and new things is to constantly tweak and break the rules..and not to stay on the safe path...its boring..
its also boring to fuck up the grows sometimes...yin yang

Phytium hater said:

When you feel like doing silly..know that there is always somebody who have done the silliness before you so you don't have to...
but in anything...why am doing silly experiments...I am newer been100 satisfied with my grows..what I mean its constant search for the ultimate ride...like in Point Break movie (the original of course...not stupid new version)...
the only way to find better and new things is to constantly tweak and break the rules..and not to stay on the safe path...its boring..
its also boring to fuck up the grows sometimes...yin yang

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I know aye. Im always tweaking, and experimenting too.
Its such a good way to learn, and never gets boring. Always gets more interesting.
I dont think ive done a single grow the same way.
Sounds like you love growing as much as i do