Superdelegates in the Democratic Party (Primary) should be eliminated

Fogdog · Nov 15, 2017

Padawanbater2 said:
We're trying to create a new Democratic party

So wtf are you talking about?

Are you ok with never winning another election?

About 16.8 million people voted for Clinton. 13.2 million people voted for Sanders

It is true that as you say, verbally hectoring, insulting, abusing, degrading and dismissing people for their belief yields the opposite of cooperation and acceptance of your ideas.

By your own admission, your tactics of verbal abuse will close off more than half of the existing Democratic party. Your "new Democratic Party" will be only about 13 million strong. You will claim that the non voting public will suddenly swell the ranks of your "new Democratic Party". To this, I'll just say:

Unclebaldrick · Nov 15, 2017

Bugeye said:
It means they think they know more than the peons that elected them and they need to protect the stupid peons from themselves.

Watch out, you are showing how little you value our system of government. You too @schuylaar, but we already know that.

UncleBuck · Nov 15, 2017

Bugeye said:
Superdelegates are uber elitist in nature. They gotta go!

No more Hillarys!

the only thing superdelegates have ever done is stop hillary in 2008 you retarded racist old shit.

SneekyNinja · Nov 15, 2017

It's a shame you retards still feel the need to attack the Democrat Party but are totally cool with the electoral college that gave us Trump instead of the person who won the vote nationally by over 4%

PCXV · Nov 15, 2017

SneekyNinja said:
It's a shame you retards still feel the need to attack the Democrat Party but are totally cool with the electoral college that gave us Trump instead of the person who won the vote nationally by over 4%

Democrats have to win by at least 10% or it doesn't count. Women Democrats: 15%.

Bugeye · Nov 16, 2017

SneekyNinja said:
It's a shame you retards still feel the need to attack the Democrat Party but are totally cool with the electoral college that gave us Trump instead of the person who won the vote nationally by over 4%

The democrat party was proven corrupt in last election. Pointing this out is not attacking, it is stating the obvious so it can be remedied. Superdelegates have no place in a corrupt system. Tear it all down and start over with integrity and trust.

As for the electoral college, uh, them were the rules of the election. Maybe Hillary should have got her ass to Wisconsin instead of picking out firework displays for her coronation?

schuylaar · Nov 16, 2017

Bugeye said:
The democrat party was proven corrupt in last election. Pointing this out is not attacking, it is stating the obvious so it can be remedied. Superdelegates have no place in a corrupt system. Tear it all down and start over with integrity and trust.

As for the electoral college, uh, them were the rules of the election. Maybe Hillary should have got her ass to Wisconsin instead of picking out firework displays for her coronation?

money must disappear..completely. anything else would be pretending. follow the money.

londonfog · Nov 16, 2017

schuylaar said:
money must disappear..completely. anything else would be pretending. follow the money.

I thought you were really trying to find a working method. I guess you just like to type.

Fogdog · Nov 16, 2017

Bugeye said:
The democrat party was proven corrupt in last election. Pointing this out is not attacking, it is stating the obvious so it can be remedied. Superdelegates have no place in a corrupt system. Tear it all down and start over with integrity and trust.

As for the electoral college, uh, them were the rules of the election. Maybe Hillary should have got her ass to Wisconsin instead of picking out firework displays for her coronation?

Why are you are so focused on the Democratic Party's arcane superdelegates that didn't affect 2016 election but tip toe away from the Electoral College which did?

schuylaar · Nov 16, 2017

Fogdog said:
Why are you are so focused on the Democratic Party's arcane superdelegates that didn't affect 2016 election but tip toe away from the Electoral College which did?

because it's arcane, fool.

Fogdog · Nov 16, 2017

schuylaar said:
because it's arcane, fool.

Do you know reasons given for the superdelegate system?

dagwood45431 · Nov 16, 2017

And still, no votes.

UncleBuck · Nov 16, 2017

Bugeye said:
The democrat party was proven corrupt

no, that's just something retarded that trump says and retards like you repeat.

Bugeye said:
Hillary should have got her ass to Wisconsin

why not mention the fact that the trump campaign illegally coordinated with russia to throw the election and are all going to prison for it?

easy, because you're an old white racist who sucks on trump's balls.

Padawanbater2 · Nov 16, 2017

tangerinegreen555 said:
Politics is a dirty game.

Accept that and your chances of winning double on the spot. Anything goes now more than ever.

tangerinegreen555 said:
Politics is a dirty game. ALL the fucking time. Not when you say it is.

'When they go low, we go high' works great in speeches. In reality, you better be willing to get down and dirty to have a chance.

Maybe we weren't dirty enough last time.

We'll try to improve, too much is at stake.

The ends don't justify the means. Believing that only makes it worse and we end up with people like Trump as president

tangerinegreen555 said:
Maybe you don't care about the environment, the poor, unions, rich fuckers getting away with murder, minorities and (formerly) protected classes as much as you claim.

The common denominator between each of these issues is campaign finance reform

too larry · Nov 16, 2017

It's like a safety valve on an old steam engine. When it works, it lets off steam slowly when the fires get too hot, and keeps the whole thing from blowing up. When the pressure is too much, we could elect some populist who would hurt the party in the long run. Kind of like Trump is doing to the GOP. {Trump is no Republican}

schuylaar · Nov 16, 2017

Padawanbater2 said:
The ends don't justify the means. Believing that only makes it worse and we end up with people like Trump as president

The common denominator between each of these issues is campaign finance reform

why does he think we can't change it?

Padawanbater2 · Nov 16, 2017

How does supporting closed primaries and supporting superdelegates make the process more democratic?

Both are undemocratic by definition

Padawanbater2 · Nov 16, 2017

schuylaar said:
why does he think we can't change it?

I'm not sure he agrees with the premise

I know he believes America is conservative based on the fact that Republicans have dominated the past few years instead of looking at consistent polls over the decades that show a pretty solid trend of most of the country based on the issues. It couldn't be that the Democratic party has pushed establishment politicians who are sympathetic to corporate interests which doesn't turn out the vote or energize the base.

Establishment Democrats aren't progressive. That's why they lose.

UncleBuck · Nov 16, 2017

Padawanbater2 said:
How does supporting closed primaries and supporting superdelegates make the process more democratic?

Both are undemocratic by definition

your boy bernie only wants caucuses because it's the only thing he can win. that's ow he got all the delegates from washington state despite losing the popular vote there by a ton.

Sanders overwhelmingly won the March 26 caucus which had about 230,000 participants, winning 72.7% of the state's legislative district delegates to Clinton's 27.1%, giving Sanders a net gain of 47 pledged delegates.[1] However, Clinton managed a win in the non-binding primary held on May 24, 2016 with more than 802,754 voters.

SneekyNinja · Nov 16, 2017

UncleBuck said:
your boy bernie only wants caucuses because it's the only thing he can win. that's ow he got all the delegates from washington state despite losing the popular vote there by a ton.

Sanders overwhelmingly won the March 26 caucus which had about 230,000 participants, winning 72.7% of the state's legislative district delegates to Clinton's 27.1%, giving Sanders a net gain of 47 pledged delegates.[1] However, Clinton managed a win in the non-binding primary held on May 24, 2016 with more than 802,754 voters.

Ahh, ok.

So Sanders can win a contest when 75% of voters don't turn up?

Most popular politician ever.

Superdelegates in the Democratic Party (Primary) should be eliminated

Superdelegates in the Democratic Party (Primary) should be eliminated

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