Tactics Employed by the Democratic Establishment

Padawanbater2

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SACRAMENTO, California – Today the California Assembly voted to approve the Prime Time Primary (Senate Bill 568), which will advance California’s presidential primary from one of the last in the nation to one of the first.

Senator Ricardo Lara (D-Bell Gardens) is author of SB 568, and principal co-author and Assembly Speaker Pro Tempore Kevin Mullin (D-San Mateo) presented the bill in the Assembly.

Secretary of State Alex Padilla is the sponsor of the Prime Time Primary.

"Moving California's presidential primary to March from June means candidates in both parties can't treat immigration, climate change, criminal justice reform and investing in jobs and innovation like afterthoughts, as they did too often in 2016,” said Senator Ricardo Lara (D-Bell Gardens). “The prime time primary will lift up the voices of Californians on issues where we are leading the nation if not the world."

“Voter empowerment and engagement has been and continues to be a cornerstone of my legislative agenda,” Assembly Speaker Pro Tempore Kevin Mullin said. “Voters tend to be more engaged in the process when there is a candidate or initiative they are passionate about. Making California part of the early presidential primary process, gives voters a more prominent voice. SB 568 will benefit all Californians regardless of party affiliation and make California count and provide our voters a prominent voice in the selection of our presidential candidates.”

“Too often California is relegated to serving as a political ATM for presidential candidates. Moving up California’s primary will strengthen the voice of California voters in the presidential nominating process,” Secretary of State Alex Padilla said. “The Prime time Primary Act has received bipartisan support, and will help ensure that issues important to Californians are prioritized by presidential candidates from all political parties.”

California Assembly Passes Prime Time Primary Bill to Make California Count in Presidential Election

CA has the highest number of delegates (551), and it's likely whoever wins CA will win the Democratic primary

California wants to pick the 2020 Democratic presidential nominee
California moves up 2020 presidential primary to March in bid for more sway

CA has three major markets, San Francisco/Sacramento, Los Angeles, San Diego, which means it's the most expensive state to campaign in, which translates to a disadvantage to any non establishment candidates

Who's running for president in 2020 from California?
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Another tactic establishment Democrats use is pushing voter registration back as far as possible in order to ensure unknown candidates, (usually MUCH MORE progressive candidates) with little political support to start have a chance to get recognized on the national scale. Consider New York's 14th district represented by Joseph Crowley. Establishment Democrats have pushed back the voter registration in New York, in order to vote in Crowley's election to Oct. 30. So if you don't register as a Democrat by then, you won't be eligible to vote in the election taking place mid 2018
 
Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
Another tactic establishment Democrats use is pushing voter registration back as far as possible in order to ensure unknown candidates, (usually MUCH MORE progressive candidates) with little political support to start have a chance to get recognized on the national scale. Consider New York's 14th district represented by Joseph Crowley. Establishment Democrats have pushed back the voter registration in New York, in order to vote in Crowley's election to Oct. 30. So if you don't register as a Democrat by then, you won't be eligible to vote in the election taking place mid 2018
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LOL

Yeah, Democrats are the reason we don't have campaign finance reform. Democrats are the reason Bernie's health care bill didn't go forward. Democrats control voter registration deadlines in all states.

Ahhaaahaaahahaaahhhhaaaaaaa

You funny.
 
Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
SACRAMENTO, California – Today the California Assembly voted to approve the Prime Time Primary (Senate Bill 568), which will advance California’s presidential primary from one of the last in the nation to one of the first.

Senator Ricardo Lara (D-Bell Gardens) is author of SB 568, and principal co-author and Assembly Speaker Pro Tempore Kevin Mullin (D-San Mateo) presented the bill in the Assembly.

Secretary of State Alex Padilla is the sponsor of the Prime Time Primary.

"Moving California's presidential primary to March from June means candidates in both parties can't treat immigration, climate change, criminal justice reform and investing in jobs and innovation like afterthoughts, as they did too often in 2016,” said Senator Ricardo Lara (D-Bell Gardens). “The prime time primary will lift up the voices of Californians on issues where we are leading the nation if not the world."

“Voter empowerment and engagement has been and continues to be a cornerstone of my legislative agenda,” Assembly Speaker Pro Tempore Kevin Mullin said. “Voters tend to be more engaged in the process when there is a candidate or initiative they are passionate about. Making California part of the early presidential primary process, gives voters a more prominent voice. SB 568 will benefit all Californians regardless of party affiliation and make California count and provide our voters a prominent voice in the selection of our presidential candidates.”

“Too often California is relegated to serving as a political ATM for presidential candidates. Moving up California’s primary will strengthen the voice of California voters in the presidential nominating process,” Secretary of State Alex Padilla said. “The Prime time Primary Act has received bipartisan support, and will help ensure that issues important to Californians are prioritized by presidential candidates from all political parties.”

California Assembly Passes Prime Time Primary Bill to Make California Count in Presidential Election

CA has the highest number of delegates (551), and it's likely whoever wins CA will win the Democratic primary

California wants to pick the 2020 Democratic presidential nominee
California moves up 2020 presidential primary to March in bid for more sway

CA has three major markets, San Francisco/Sacramento, Los Angeles, San Diego, which means it's the most expensive state to campaign in, which translates to a disadvantage to any non establishment candidates

Who's running for president in 2020 from California?
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Nobody

The primary doesn't start until 2020 maybe in 2019 if you want to watch candidates flail and drop out after debates.
 
abandonconflict

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ttystikk said:
Denigrating democracy makes you a Fascist.
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Actually fascism is an authoritarian capitalist form of populism characterized by ultra-nationalism and the formation of enmity against a vulnerable minority by a ruling class or group.

I guess being wrong is your m-o.
 
Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
Midterm elections this year will be very important, and they're coming right up. 2018 will be here before you know it!
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I answered Pad's question. Nobody is running for office this year that I can vote for.

This is a pretty dumb post. Do you talk or type to avoid thinking?
 
Padawanbater2

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Fogdog said:
Democrats control voter registration deadlines in all states
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Nobody said anything about voter registration in all states, that's just another strawman

In the state of New York in 2016, voters had to change their registration to Democrat by October 2015 in order to vote in the Democratic primary that took place 7 months later on April, 9, 2016. Bernie Sanders had virtually zero name recognition in October, 2015. His campaign didn't begin to pick up steam until later in the primary. Why would there be a rule that someone needs to be registered to vote 7 months before the primary takes place, and why would the Democratic party deny those that wish to participate in the democratic process the right to vote for the candidate they support based on their lack of voter registration 7 months ahead of time?

They did it because they know setting the voter registration date so far ahead of time limits the ability for more obscure candidates to compete successfully because they have less notoriety and name recognition and less money to spend early on in their campaigns. It effectively handicaps their progressive opponents campaign's before they ever get off the ground.

This is why NY pushed Dem. registration to mid October in order to vote in the Democratic primary in November, more than a YEAR out. Why would they do this? There's no other rational explanation. They want to promote the ability of the establishment incumbent, Joe Crowley, to keep his seat while limiting the ability for progressive challenger Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to take it. They're doing this by limiting the democratic process. By making sure less people are legally allowed to vote, because they know the less new registered voters who are allowed to vote, the better their results in the election.

Also why the CA Assembly and Gov. Brown pushed CA to the front of the line in 2020, because they know whoever wins CA has the best chance of winning the Democratic primary. A win in CA, the state with the most delegates, will put whoever wins in the limelight like super Tuesday 2016 did with Clinton. That's the goal. Then, establishment media can promote their candidate and denigrate their competition, just like 2016 for another slight edge of advantage in the competition. Add all the little advantages up and you steal the primary, again.


The way I've described it here, if this eventually happens, I wouldn't vote for Harris. If progressives get cheated out of the primary like they did in 2016, I won't vote Democrat, even against Trump. If any of you take issue with that, don't promote Democratic candidates that have to cheat to win. Don't deny the evidence when it's right in front of your face. The entire progressive wing of the Democratic party is watching very closely, don't fuck this up because it's on you if you do. If you truly believed in your ideals, there would be no need to encourage unfair advantages in order to win. If you can't win on a fair playing field, you damn sure won't win the general election.
 
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UncleBuck

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Padawanbater2 said:
Nobody said anything about voter registration in all states, that's just another strawman

In the state of New York in 2016, voters had to change their registration to Democrat by October 2015 in order to vote in the Democratic primary that took place 7 months later on April, 9, 2016. Bernie Sanders had virtually zero name recognition in October, 2015. His campaign didn't begin to pick up steam until later in the primary. Why would there be a rule that someone needs to be registered to vote 7 months before the primary takes place, and why would the Democratic party deny those that wish to participate in the democratic process the right to vote for the candidate they support based on their lack of voter registration 7 months ahead of time?

They did it because they know setting the voter registration date so far ahead of time limits the ability for more obscure candidates to compete successfully because they have less notoriety and name recognition and less money to spend early on in their campaigns. It effectively handicaps their progressive opponents campaign's before they ever get off the ground.

This is why NY pushed Dem. registration to mid October in order to vote in the Democratic primary in November, more than a YEAR out. Why would they do this? There's no other rational explanation. They want to promote the ability of the establishment incumbent, Joe Crowley, to keep his seat while limiting the ability for progressive challenger Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to take it. They're doing this by limiting the democratic process. By making sure less people are legally allowed to vote, because they know the less new registered voters who are allowed to vote, the better their results in the election.

Also why the CA Assembly and Gov. Brown pushed CA to the front of the line in 2020, because they know whoever wins CA has the best chance of winning the Democratic primary. A win in CA, the state with the most delegates, will put whoever wins in the limelight like super Tuesday 2016 did with Clinton. That's the goal. Then, establishment media can promote their candidate and denigrate their competition, just like 2016 for another slight edge of advantage in the competition. Add all the little advantages up and you steal the primary, again.


The way I've described it here, if this eventually happens, I wouldn't vote for Harris. If progressives get cheated out of the primary like they did in 2016, I won't vote Democrat, even against Trump. If any of you take issue with that, don't promote Democratic candidates that have to cheat to win. Don't deny the evidence when it's right in front of your face. The entire progressive wing of the Democratic party is watching very closely, don't fuck this up because it's on you if you do. If you truly believed in your ideals, there would be no need to encourage unfair advantages in order to win. If you can't win on a fair playing field, you damn sure won't win the general election.
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Waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhgh
 
ArcticGranite

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Tactics? Trying to CYA dodging bribery and fraud.

Senate majority leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada set up an awkward meeting between between HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius and Senator Menendez to "do something" so that Dr. Melgen wouldn't be charged/convicted of Medicare fraud.

Dr. Melgen was convicted of Medicare fraud.

Senator Menendez D-New Jersey is about to be convicted of bribery.

Harry Reid tried to help him skate.

http://thefederalist.com/2017/10/04/obama-hhs-secretary-harry-reid-arranged-meeting-menendez-donors-legal-woes/

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UncleBuck

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ArcticGranite said:
Tactics? Trying to CYA dodging bribery and fraud.
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Like how daddy trump told his lawyer kasowitz to bribe AG vance into dropping a felony fraud case against donny junior and ivanka, against the advice of the state?



CAPITOL REPORT
Ivanka Trump, Donald Trump Jr. investigated for felony fraud: report
By MarketWatch, Andrea Riquier
Published: Oct 4, 2017 12:43 pm ET
Report suggests that political contributions played a role in getting the years-long case closed

Donald Trump, Jr., and Ivanka Trump arrive for the Presidential Inauguration of their father, Donald Trump, in January.
For years prosecutors with the Manhattan District Attorney’s office built a criminal case against two of President Donald Trump’s children, until a lawyer for the family made a personal contribution to the re-election campaign of D.A. Cyrus Vance Jr.

The case was then dropped, according to a collaborative investigative article published by ProPublica, The New Yorker and WNYC.


Ivanka Trump and Donald Trump Jr. had been under investigation by the Major Economic Crimes Bureau of the D.A.’s office since 2010 for misleading prospective buyers of the Trump SoHo, a faltering hotel and condo development, according to the article.

Prosecutors had extensive evidence against the siblings, including emails discussing how to “coordinate false information” and the Trumps worried about being indicted.

A source told the team of reporters behind the article that there was “no doubt” that they “approved, knew of, agreed to, and intentionally inflated the numbers to make more sales.”

In 2012, Marc Kasowitz, who had served as Donald Trump’s attorney for years, donated $25,000 to Vance’s reelection campaign. He then visited Vance and “simply repeated the arguments that the other defense lawyers had been making for months.” Three months later, the district attorney told the Major Economic Crimes Bureau to drop the case against the Trumps.


Vance’s campaign told the reporters that he had returned the $25,000 contribution just before the 2012 meeting. But Kasowitz raised and donated an additional $50,000, the report said. Vance said he now plans to return that money as well.

In a written statement to the publications, Kasowitz said, “I donated to Cy Vance’s campaign because I was and remain extremely impressed by him as a person of impeccable integrity, as a brilliant lawyer and as a public servant with creative ideas and tremendous ability.”

The reporters have several unnamed sources who said Kasowitz “boasted” about being able to get the two Trump children off in what he called a “really dangerous” case.

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