Technique showdown!

phantumstranga

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I'm no professional but I have some experiences in this Hobby. I'm wondering what techniques people use that could be considered simple or easy or low maintenance the produces some of the most killer best stuff out there with applying tested strategies whether or not it be lighting efficiency, veganics, low maintenance pH, etcetera... I plan on using a 400 watt metal halide high pressure sodium digital ballast and I am tossed between soil or coco coir as far as pH balancing is concerned. I do not want the maintenance of mixing soils or earthworm castings to feed or testing PPM but I'm just trying to produce solid stuff in my tent and was thinking about using the veganics line with og tea special sauce, root Webster, and rapid start in a perlite 30%/happy frog 70% mix. Now whats people's opinions on pH testers and should I go with a meter or should I go the extra cheap route I don't know how to calibrate but I've always just used a good reverse osmosis water with additives. I know some folks out there have to have some good experiences with some low-maintenance low-stress good growing methods and I want to hear them. Please post grow logs or maybe even give a shout out to anybody that you think might have something to say. I'm intending on throwing down in a five by five by six and a half foot tall grow tent with a 400 watt. I know it's a pretty good-sized space with not much light but it will have to do for now.
 

MisterBouncyBounce

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I'm just trying to produce solid stuff in my tent

i posted this elsewhere on the net, adapt it to your needs.

my experience says to do this.
set up two grow areas, 3x3 square feet by 8 to 10 feet high each. side by side works well as long as there is no light leak from one "room" to the other.

one will be the veg room and the other will be the flower room. the veg room you can use floros 0r say a 250 HID light. in the flower room you want at least 400 or 600 watt HPS, you can use a 1000, but the higher the bulb the higher the heat and electricity bill. it's up to you. put a small fan in each room. if the walls are not flat white, line the room with mylar from the height of the lights on down. aluminum foil is fine if mylar is not an option. don't worry about hot spots.

setup two bubbler buckets, one in each room. get yourself a gallon(or whatever size you find) of 7-7-7 dynagrow hydro fert or as close to that as possible and some Epsom salt.

get yourself a female(non auto), veg her to about 18 inches in the veg room, then move her to the flower room and clip off a clone. set the timer to 12/12.
take the clone and root her using the bubbler in the veg room, 18/6 or 24 hours, it's up to you.

the clone will root in about ten days, then it will start growing. when you see the 3rd or 4th set of leaves growing, pinch them off with you fingers (basic topping, for any newbies who may read this in the future).

in two months harvest the flowering plant. the clone will have vegged to nice size, depending on it's light cycle.
move it into the flower room, snip a clone off it and repeat.

if you used floros to veg then introduce the plant to the HPS light gradually, either keep the light as high above the plant as possible and lower it gradually over a 3 day period or keep it to the side of the light and move it closer a little each day until it's directly under the light. 3 days should be enough for it to adjust to the higher intensity. otherwise it will suffer badly.

all you have to do from that point is maintain the routine and you'll also start to automatically dial it in from cycle to cycle as you get to know the plant better .

you will have all the weed you need and even if you run out, there will always be something close to being ready. in other words there will always be bud in your house 24/7 for as long as you keep following the routine.

don't try to master mind it. the 7-7-7 nutes will be just fine and a gallon will last you a couple of years.

once the clone roots, give it the recommended amount of nutes per the amount of water the bubbler holds and a teaspoon of epsom salt. you won't have to feed them again while vegging. when you switch the plant to flower, fill the bucket with fresh water and repeat the nutes same as you did when vegging. you won't have to feed them again.

you can adjust the ph of the water to 6.0 at the start of each cycle but you don't have to pay attention to it again, no matter how often you top off the buckets. if it makes you feel better then you can keep adjusting the ph as needed. it's up to you.

if you follow this routine. you will never be without bud.

you will not have any major problems and you'll save a lot of money and time.

just check on them every other day, there will be periods during the middle to late veg cycle and early flower cycle where the plants will drink a LOT. you might have to top off the bucket every day during those times.

i am well aware some will disagree with me in some things, particularly about the ph. but if you try the routine i described and not over react should the plants not look perfect all the time, you'll see they will be doing just fine.

this is a fail proof concept. it is very middle of the road. it's not the best and certainly not the worst routine. that's why it will not fail.

you're not trying to nail every little thing which OFTEN leads to serious issues leading to wasted money, time and failure, unless you are a very knowledgeable and experienced grower.

you don't need a mother, the clones will not peter out in potency or vigor. if they do it won't be for years and a lot of cycles, by that time you can sprout another seed and start fresh.

try to get an F1 hybrid. they have noticeably more vigor and yield. growing this way it's worth getting feminized seeds so you don't have to waste time when you're first setting it up to get rolling in case you get a male.

if anyone disagrees with me fine, express your opinion but please don't flame me, this is tried, true and proven.

you can think of this routine as the peanut butter and jelly sandwich approach to growing. it's not gourmet or the most optimal diet, but it will keep you alive, healthy and strong enough to do whatever you need to do.
 

phantumstranga

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Okay so I plan on using a few feminized and a few regular seeds. Not afraid of using my smaller pot and jumping up sizes while I find out who's male and who's female. I'm also not afraid of the concept of possibly breeding males to females if I find some good stuff. I am not going to consider any full Hydro systems like aeroponics or bubblers Etc. I know how to clone and keep a Perpetual system I'm not a noob. I am pretty much trying to find out people's thoughts on a soil or a Coco coir grow with veganics as far as keeping the pH low maintenance. I know that there are ways to achieve good crop with enriched soils are compost teas but I am just trying to find a low maintenance nutrient line that is also pH low maintenance. As I have heard thatveganics is tricky with ro water and wanted to work out the details and wanted to see what people thought or if there's something else just as easy that people would recommend. Also like what kind of hours do people use for vegetation for flower etcetera.
 

MisterBouncyBounce

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Okay so I plan on using a few feminized and a few regular seeds. Not afraid of using my smaller pot and jumping up sizes while I find out who's male and who's female. I'm also not afraid of the concept of possibly breeding males to females if I find some good stuff. I am not going to consider any full Hydro systems like aeroponics or bubblers Etc. I know how to clone and keep a Perpetual system I'm not a noob. I am pretty much trying to find out people's thoughts on a soil or a Coco coir grow with veganics as far as keeping the pH low maintenance. I know that there are ways to achieve good crop with enriched soils are compost teas but I am just trying to find a low maintenance nutrient line that is also pH low maintenance. As I have heard thatveganics is tricky with ro water and wanted to work out the details and wanted to see what people thought or if there's something else just as easy that people would recommend. Also like what kind of hours do people use for vegetation for flower etcetera.

i thought you were just curious about how some people approach a low maintenance way of growing for the purpose of just producing solid results and from that maybe you'd incorporate some of it into your grow.

sorry, i didn't intend to talk to you like you were a noob.
 

phantumstranga

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No worries I just wanted to get the point across that I'm posting in the advanced cultivation section for a reason and don't want anybody to think that I'm just some beginner who's not going to understand what routines strategies techniques and methods they have accommodated over their own experiences. Sorry I didn't intend on coming off sounding snootish either, I apologize. I just know how frustrating some people can feel dealing with a lot of beginners all the time
 

sallygram

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I supercrop up until the second week of bloom, it stresses the plants a bit doing it that late but it keeps my canopy even. When I Supercrop I am brutal, you will find a couple of stems in my garden braced or taped because I went a little too far but it works for me and I have not lost a branch yet or had a plant turn herm on me.
 

MrVega2

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I'm no professional but I have some experiences in this Hobby. I'm wondering what techniques people use that could be considered simple or easy or low maintenance the produces some of the most killer best stuff out there with applying tested strategies whether or not it be lighting efficiency, veganics, low maintenance pH, etcetera... I plan on using a 400 watt metal halide high pressure sodium digital ballast and I am tossed between soil or coco coir as far as pH balancing is concerned. I do not want the maintenance of mixing soils or earthworm castings to feed or testing PPM but I'm just trying to produce solid stuff in my tent and was thinking about using the veganics line with og tea special sauce, root Webster, and rapid start in a perlite 30%/happy frog 70% mix. Now whats people's opinions on pH testers and should I go with a meter or should I go the extra cheap route I don't know how to calibrate but I've always just used a good reverse osmosis water with additives. I know some folks out there have to have some good experiences with some low-maintenance low-stress good growing methods and I want to hear them. Please post grow logs or maybe even give a shout out to anybody that you think might have something to say. I'm intending on throwing down in a five by five by six and a half foot tall grow tent with a 400 watt. I know it's a pretty good-sized space with not much light but it will have to do for now.
U asked for simple n low maintenance...that caught my attention n I was like "hey...I'm all abt that"...ha...it's how I go abt everything... including my indoor farming... I've never PH'd...have no concept what so ever of this ppm nonsense...I jus mix soil n add tap water...smart pots n CFLs...

Sometimes less is more...
 

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phantumstranga

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How many watts are your CFLs? How big of an area are you using? Some details would be cool please and thank you. I use to use CFLs myself. I sure wouldn't mind some stats thanks
 

MrVega2

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How many watts are your CFLs? How big of an area are you using? Some details would be cool please and thank you. I use to use CFLs myself. I sure wouldn't mind some stats thanks
Depends...on how big I'm growin the plant...the space I'm using...veg/flower etc... here's a pic for example below...I use a mixed spectrum...I'd say on average bout 300actual watts for a 3×3 space...i use diff size bulbs but mostly the 23watters n the size up from that...I think 42watts??...not sure...but I have em all...
 

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cindysid

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U asked for simple n low maintenance...that caught my attention n I was like "hey...I'm all abt that"...ha...it's how I go abt everything... including my indoor farming... I've never PH'd...have no concept what so ever of this ppm nonsense...I jus mix soil n add tap water...smart pots n CFLs...

Sometimes less is more...
If you're growing that bud with cfls,I salute you! No hps or led in flower?
 
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