Thanks to Bush's tax cuts ...

ViRedd

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The economy is booming ... and Med's union pension is more secure than ever. :mrgreen:

By Amanda Cooper

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Stocks rallied on Wednesday, driving the Dow Jones industrial average to a record intraday high, after a strong profit and outlook from Cisco Systems Inc. <CSCO.O> increased optimism about earnings.

Data showing softer-than expected fourth-quarter U.S. labor costs and stronger-than-expected productivity also soothed some concern about wage inflation.

"Cisco put people in the mood. I think the productivity numbers and unit labor costs are making people pretty bullish," said Ray Rund, managing director and head of research at Shaker Investments in Cleveland.
"I follow technology -- small and mid-cap -- pretty closely and I was noticing that companies that beat last night, that came out with really good forecasts that were higher than people were expecting are up dramatically today," he said.

The Dow Jones industrial average <.DJI> rose 22.19 points, or 0.17 percent, to 12,688.50, while the Standard & Poor's 500 Index <.SPX> gained 4.33 points, or 0.30 percent, to 1,452.33. The Nasdaq Composite Index <.IXIC> rallied 20.89 points, or 0.85 percent, to 2,492.38.

Earlier, the Dow rose to an all-time intraday high of 12,700.28.
Cisco <CSCO.O> shares rose 4.2 percent to $28.43 in their largest daily gain since November 28 after the network equipment maker's quarterly earnings and outlook beat Wall Street's expectations.

This helped push the S&P 500 to a fresh six-year high of 1,452.88.
Rund also cited Intevac Inc. <IVAC.O>, a manufacturer of disk-drive components. Its shares surged nearly 25 percent, or $5.54, to $28.16 and ranked as the Nasdaq's top percentage gainer.

Broadcom Corp. <BRCM.O> shares climbed 6.1 percent to $33.93 after Morgan Stanley upgraded the wireless equipment maker's stock and said the company may report surprisingly good quarterly results. Broadcom was one of the biggest positive influences on the Nasdaq 100.

Among the Dow's major gainers was Hewlett-Packard Co. <HPQ.N>, up 1.5 percent at $42.63 on the New York Stock Exchange.

On the macroeconomic front, a preliminary government report showed U.S. productivity beat expectations in the fourth quarter, while unit labor costs, one of the Federal Reserve's most closely watched inflation gauges, rose slightly less than predicted.

Peter Morici, a professor at the University of Maryland School of Business, noted this bodes well for corporate profits as companies will have greater scope to maintain or widen their profit margins on their domestic operations.

U.S. crude oil for March delivery <CLH7> was up 17 cents at $59.05 a barrel, below its NYMEX session high at $59.84. The moderation in the price of oil also supported the stock market.
(Additional reporting by Emily Chasan)

 

dankciti

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i hate that you are in some twisted fashion but the term is 'seperation of classes' where as rich get richer and poor get poorer. so do somthing smart grow some pot for you rich friends and get all that lost capital back lower middle amerika.!!
 

7xstall

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i can tell you first hand that the tax cuts have helped me and my family get going... i can't imagine where we would be under the previous regime, def wouldn't have bought a house and paid off cars and paid off so much debt...
 

medicineman

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i can tell you first hand that the tax cuts have helped me and my family get going... i can't imagine where we would be under the previous regime, def wouldn't have bought a house and paid off cars and paid off so much debt...
So, How much of a cut did you get. We are in the 60-70 thousand a year category and got about 600.00, one months car payment. You must be in the millionaire category, that figures!
 

7xstall

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We are in the 60-70 thousand a year category and got about 600.00







ok med, seems like your liver would build a tolerance to the koolaid you perpetually saturate your inards with...

eliminate marriage penalty (Clinton's sub-conscious?)
$1000 per child credit
non-itemized deductions for charity (now that i get 1099s and use schedule C not a big deal but still helps, i donate $ and other stuff.)

you would have been in a 36% bracket Med, now you're in 25%, your math is WRONG.

i'm not a mill/ just yet. :)
 

medicineman

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yeah, this is the part where he will go off topic... :)
Seems the only topic here is: Jerk, jerk, jerki, jerk, jerk jerk, jerk, jerk, jerk, jerrk, I told you what the net amount was and you are calling me a lier. Jerk, jerk, jerk, jerk.jerk, jerk, jerk, jerk !
 

Dankdude

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Just because things are going well on Wall Street, doesn't mean things are going well on Main Street. But Some of you will never get that.
 

7xstall

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Seems the only topic here is: Jerk, jerk, jerki, jerk, jerk jerk, jerk, jerk, jerk, jerrk, I told you what the net amount was and you are calling me a lier. Jerk, jerk, jerk, jerk.jerk, jerk, jerk, jerk !

if you're telling me that the net amount of taxes you no longer pay under the Bush plan is $600 that means either you are not in the 60-70k range or you do not file your taxes correctly.

the diff between 36% of 60k and 25% of 60k is $6600... you can NOT be paying that $6600 because you aren't taxed for it anymore med. i'm not talking about what you get in your return, i'm talking what you pay to the gvnmnt.
 

7xstall

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Just because things are going well on Wall Street, doesn't mean things are going well on Main Street. But Some of you will never get that.

i don't care about wall street, i'm talking about my street.. the street in front of the first house i bought because i get to keep more of the money i earn.
 

medicineman

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i don't care about wall street, i'm talking about my street.. the street in front of the first house i bought because i get to keep more of the money i earn.
Yeah a 60K earner really made out under the Bush tax cuts, My wife is an expert tax person and she also does taxes for a living, when I say 600 bucks, I mean 600 bucks, unless you have 8-10 kids, you must have cheated if you made enough to buy a house, I think you are FOS.
 

7xstall

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i didn't say i got enough back to buy a freakin house. i get to keep enough of what i earn to make a diff. the fed has actually been keeping my refunds for a few years to pay back what i owe from the clinton tax code. we were poor as dirt and still had to pay the gvnmnt back then...thank goodness we were given a chance by a fair president with a realistic picture of how the middle class works.

better send your wife to the IRS website, they changed the tax code several years ago, sounds like you are donating money to the gvnmnt med.
 

medicineman

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i didn't say i got enough back to buy a freakin house. i get to keep enough of what i earn to make a diff. the fed has actually been keeping my refunds for a few years to pay back what i owe from the clinton tax code. we were poor as dirt and still had to pay the gvnmnt back then...thank goodness we were given a chance by a fair president with a realistic picture of how the middle class works.

better send your wife to the IRS website, they changed the tax code several years ago, sounds like you are donating money to the gvnmnt med.
She is up on every inch of the tax code, she does 3-5 sets of taxes a week, for all sorts of people. she also does three sets of medium businesses (25-40 employees) And has never failed an audit, She told me that the Bush tax cuts would save us about 600 dollars a year, now are you calling her a liar. The people that benefited from the Bush tax cuts were the 100,000 per year and up. People below 50,000 didn't see hardly any, and that is where 90% of the people are. If you made enough more to buy a house and you couldn't afford it before, I'm rather suspicious. You must have gotten a giant raise because the tax cuts for 60K certainly weren't sufficient to pay house payments. I don't know where you live, but House payments range from 600.00 up and 600.00 don't buy you squat unless you live in Oklahoma in the tornado belt. The average house payment around here is about 1400.00.
 

Wavels

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By any and all objective criteria, the economy is doing far better than during the Bubble Clinton Economy.....
And guess what?....This boom is not a bubble....
Reality sucks!
 

medicineman

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By any and all objective criteria, the economy is doing far better than during the Bubble Clinton Economy.....
And guess what?....This boom is not a bubble....
Reality sucks!
Well if you're a business owner, a stockholder, an enteuprenuer, a politician, an investor, etc. you're so right. if you're a wage earner, you're taking it up the ass. wages are stagnant at best and everything is going up. Health care, energy, housing, you name it. It costs more now than when Dubya came in to office. Real wages have actually gone down. For the top 20%, the economy is booming. The rest of us are being fucked! I am really tired of this right wing fantasy of the booming economy. It Is a very selective few that are getting boomed.
 

Wavels

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med you are so wrong that it makes my teeth hurt!
Pray tell, where are ANY stats to support this balderdash you are spewing?
 
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