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The Dons' Organic Garden

Discussion in 'Organics' started by DonPetro, Mar 18, 2014.

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    giglewigle

    giglewigle Well-Known Member

    im defenetly gua do this cheers will this work will this work on a smaller scale with say a plastic container
     
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    giglewigle

    giglewigle Well-Known Member

    thanks man that means alot holy shit i hope i can grow weed that good one day lol
     
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    giglewigle

    giglewigle Well-Known Member

    just transplanted my pink gravy gunna flip soon wanted 2 wait a bil longer but the roots where really starting 2 grow out of the bottem of the pot pluss it was starting to get a bit heatstressed so i transplanted it and hit it with some eco seaweed gotta say shes smelling weedy allready im defenetly going 2 need a carbon filter for this one
     
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    DonTesla

    DonTesla Well-Known Member

    If you want insane terp production Hell yeah, for sure, bro. Also easier to keep a small space cool when you run cobs, and you can also push heights during stretch and finish to up the final density and node tightness as well, during stretch. Almost like a replacement for a TRIA based alfalfa sst .. but I love cobs.. and not because cob grown organic sells faster and more furiously than anything else does, just because I love quality and thats what wins it for my plants.
     
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    DonTesla

    DonTesla Well-Known Member

    You're on the right path, amigo... keep it up and steady learn !
     
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    DonTesla

    DonTesla Well-Known Member

    Plastic is porous so I recommend a glass (say wine) bottle if going smaller. The smaller the neck the less oxygen and the longer it can last.
     
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    DonTesla

    DonTesla Well-Known Member

    TPR.jpg
    Unlock those hidden genes, folks. Organics is the best, I tell you. For soooo many reasons.
     
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    DonTesla

    DonTesla Well-Known Member

    Spread love to them young ones, too, they can sometimes use a little helping hand, here is a series of shots taken just 2 minutes apart. Time Lapse.jpg

    All we did was gently mist. And thus softened the seed shell. Key word, gentle!
     
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    DonTesla

    DonTesla Well-Known Member

    Wanna see some middle of day-33 shots of the Pink Gravy doing her dang thang!?

    Well alright.. 20171103_120320.jpg
     

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    giglewigle

    giglewigle Well-Known Member

    fuck yes
     
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    DonTesla

    DonTesla Well-Known Member

    PG again, same day, same room, just different branch.

    damn, def some FIRRRRRRE 20171103_120447.jpg
     
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    giglewigle

    giglewigle Well-Known Member

    holy shit thats frosty how long u rekon she has to go
     
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    DonTesla

    DonTesla Well-Known Member

    Yesterday was 5th week birthdays, so about 5 more weeks give or take a week, as they have been somewhat treated poorly (new environment, new medium, new pot size) so gonna be interesting to see how they react in the long run. Gonna be mad gluey though, thats for sure, shit! This is a caregiver friends garden, she is running 18 pink gravies each in 7 gallons of pure coco, all 4 different phenos represented as well, so the George may come down sooner than the Platinums, and so on. These are shots of the George, so the platinums will be even deadlier I think, just a bitch to get to them for shots! Plus its a few hours from home!
     
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    giglewigle

    giglewigle Well-Known Member

    nice that cool she got all 4 phenos tho all coco u say im going to attemt a coco grow as i wanna have a good few jars pjt away for a rainy day im not sure what pheno this one is its wierd tho i dont no if it my envroiment but this one the newer grwoth looks abit like how u described the other one kind of fethory i took some pics yester day i havent really been feeding it cuse its in a super soil mix and shouldent need it iv been giving it gogo juice a soil probiotic and some seasol its all just seaweed tho im pretty paranoid these day about messing with plants i try and keep 2 just letting them do there thing thay seem to be better of not the best pics taken only took em to show if thay where make or female cuse now its sexually mature and sorry for the bluerples lol 20171106_163635.jpg 20171106_163623.jpg tha one in the back is an auto west coast og left it for a day or two and shit she a hungry hungry hippo atm tryna stay away from buying bottles of things but i love fish and seaweed stuff
     
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    DonTesla

    DonTesla Well-Known Member

    I think she is ditching the coco after this round, but yeah all in coco, the coco has given some issues, tbh, colder medium, compaction, and mixed signals too, but I guess they were trying to run a high humidity high temp enviro and do trees like a friend of theirs does. But the PG no likey a cold medium, at least not in the first month of flower, so that gave them some mixed signals. But yeah they are keeping the PG its a super high grade specimen just pouring out the resin, its beautiful to watch. So coco can be tricky but if you use high quality coco you can do it. I say avoid bricks and shoot for stuff rinsed in rain for 2 years if going that way.

    The above caregiver will be switching to our base, they compared almost ten variations of coco, coco/rice, rice/coco/rice, promix, as well as my bros mix, and my recipe, and their fav ended up being mine, which is

    1:1:1:1:1

    equal parts Coco, humus, castings, and 2 types of aeration, one being mineral lending and robust, and one being humus forming and decompacting, ideally.

    As for your plant, looks like a Georgie to me, from here! and a female too, so woo hoo
     
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    giglewigle

    giglewigle Well-Known Member

    im super confused about humus and what is humus vs just compost n stuff but ye im gunna make a mix using coco castings and i was gunna get a bag of neutrogs seamungus witch is just composted pelletized chicken poop plus added seaweed and then simply let it sit for a while for airation i got some rice huls ill probly put atleast one think in it for bugs like de and maybe some neem but im not really that worried about bugs
     
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    giglewigle

    giglewigle Well-Known Member

    George pheno ay when i rub the stem its more and it doasent really smell ither than the recognisable weed smell it reminds me of like a pine sort of thing well i hope she likes it hot cuse it can get up to 48 degrees in the tent in summer witchnis why iv ever got to have the lights of period during the hot part of the day or flower it now but lights on at night il be taking a clone or two soon but i dont think im in a position 2 get another tent so im not sure what im going to do i defenetly wanna keep the pg around so far its been 38c in there and she looks healthy enough 2 me tho but the pot shes in now is fucken huge compared 2 what she was in before so im sure thats got somthing todo with it plus i put a worm or two in there lol
     
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    DonTesla

    DonTesla Well-Known Member

    Allow me to clarify a bit, especially in case any one has the same question ..

    When I say humus, I refer to a texture mostly; one can source this from any HomeDepot during gardening season but I prefer the forest floor as a source.
    .. this is more so for those making premium soil on the fly, without the room or time per se to have one's own compost pile ready to go...the humus therefore becomes an important and pivotal factor in making a great medium ready to use. Said humus should be a stable spongy uniform product whose composition is made up of material that is difficult to identify because it is so decomposed (past tense) that the visible plant and (possibly animal materials) inherent are so broken down that they are no longer easily identifiable to the naked eye.

    Our 5-way mix (the simple 1:1:1:1:1 mix mentioned in the posts above) is also usable in a variety of applications, which gives it a cool multi-purpose..
    for example, flood and drain/ flush & feed styles, liquid fed organics, and bottled / veganics styles, and even conventional (what some call soup style or chelated salt regimes). So it is very flexible, especially once good humus is involved. It can be a great tool to use for conventional growers switching over to organics, as it can be used in nearly all styles, and therefore one can use just one base to try 2 or 3 styles at once, and learn on the go without risking their entire operation to a succeeding at an all-new way (its almost easier to learn organics without being a conventional grower first, from what I'm noticing, anyway, and this mix helps those who water a bit more aggressively, and are still learning how paramount o2 is in organics, as the drainage is really really great, but at the same time it stays quite moist too)

    Humus then, also plays a ph buffering and hormonal role as well- plus it increases water retention, increases CEC and soil texture as well as heightened porosity and plant immunity being other main factors. Compost, especially commercial big box shite, can lack some of these attributes depending on how it is made, and who is making it, and quality (or lack therefor) of inputs used as well as how far into the decomp'ing it is, and either way, generally requires the addition of aeration materials to firm up an ideal texture and ph and so on. Ideal humus, ime, needs no added aeration or liming agents for example.

    Now, with that being said, humus is not better than compost per se.. they have a lot in common, and are some overlaps, but, if one is in a position to make or buy good finished compost, and knows what they are doing, which is awesome, like my boy Greasemonkeyman for example, then all one needs to do really is amend it to spec and aerate it roughly 50/50, depending on overall pore and particle size. This is to me, a bit more like 'advanced organics', although simpler in a way at the same time; it just takes some time, experience/know-how and most importantly, outdoor space to get to this level, really.

    That said, I simply provide the people with an alternative method, just so they can progressively build up to that 100% diy stage.. In the latter (diy compost) method, the finer the texture, the higher one can push that 50% aeration mark; for example, when one takes a thermophilic leaf-dominated compost and refines it further by bacterial dominating worms. To me, nothing is easier than that, taking amended leaf compost and cutting it with 50% aeration (mind you, sourcing a truly premium aeration mix, 6 ingredients or more ideally, as to vary the particle sizes and their effects, becomes the challenge at this point, depending where you are) after letting the worms refine it down in size a bit.

    However, equally easy is making our 5 way base, or 1:1:1:1:1 mix, which, according to those I've consulted, performs better than the original mix my first teacher (DP) got us on to, (which was 6:3:3:4, or 25% aeration) as well as the blanket recipe generally given to intro growers, the classic 1:1:1 or 1/3 peat 1/3 castings 1/3 perlite recipe.

    I really distaste this recipe for several reasons, for one, perlite is the worst aeration to use, it compacts floats up, and has a cancerous dust, and castings, well if using good quality castings, 15% is more than enough, 20% max. So those 2 flaws alone make me shake my head.

    One thing that people will notice, is that making your own fresh castings, is truly paramount, and its higher in humics and fulvics, not to mention nutrients, cocoons and worms, so much less is needed for peak performance. I believe that the law of diminishing returns comes into play when using it over 20%, one study we found noted an increase in nodal spacing for example, when used above 20%, so morphology can be affected negatively, not to mention how the end product burns. I even know some companies who make castings and they themselves recommend 10-20% of total volume, and they are the ones selling it, so what does that say about the commonly endorsed recipe promoting 1/3 1/3 1/3.. I believe it has flaws and misinforms people, a bit.

    Attached is a bit of basic info on humus, for anyone wanting to read a bit more.

    Good luck building, folks, if you know where to look all you will have to buy is a couple meals, the rest can be easily found in nature.. everything to grow plants is outside, just look at the forests as an example.. if you have any more questions or comments, fire away!

    Have a great day,
    DonT
     

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    giglewigle

    giglewigle Well-Known Member

    wow this makes me so mutch more interested in composting and the worm farm looks like ill be getting another tumbler and ill defenetly be collecting all the leaves after summer is over lol iv made my mind im hopingformmy oout door raised and soil for my plants indoors i can simply mix in some compost
     
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    DonTesla

    DonTesla Well-Known Member

    Glad to hear bud @giglewigle
    If you have any forests near by, you can simply go in there and look for the biggest tallest trees (bigger than the rest of the forest).
    This should be a special spot where the leaf mould and humus is exceptionally thicker and several times deeper.
    Just a little trick to speed up time a couple years, not that you can't amend your local leaves with some hotter meals / beneficials and speed things up a fair bit that way too.
    I do both personally, now that I've relocated, just so I can get to that ideal and self sustaining point even faster.
    But for me, I like to let the leaves break down as naturally as possible, and once its at its final volume, then I amend, but you can do either way.
    The life we're noticing in the forest stuff is amazing, though, to say the least, not to mention how crazy spongy it is, you can squeeze it and it bounces back to its shape like nothing. Plus it helps to get double the indigenous microorganisms on your side. I will post the results to the lab tests of the stuff we are pulling out too once I get them. Speaking of which, I need to go mail the samples I collected yesterday, chat soon!
     
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