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The flush "myth"

Discussion in 'General Marijuana Growing' started by DirtyD313, Mar 17, 2017.

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    whitebb2727

    whitebb2727 Well-Known Member

    There is a difference. I'm not going to debate that with you.

    There are organic additives that really bring out the terpenes and make better pot.

    A lot of little tricks to up someone's growing game.

    Grow how you want. That's fine.
     
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    Kingrow1

    Kingrow1 Well-Known Member

    I would smoke your ass under the table lightweight..... :-)
     
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    MichiganMedGrower

    MichiganMedGrower Well-Known Member

    There is no debate. Just plant science. The things that help are in any organic soil or if you add humic and seaweed you will mimic the effect of full organics just fine.

    My pot got much stronger and more complex from keeping the plants healthy an average of 2 extra weeks and from eliminating bloom killing bloom products.
     
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    greg nr

    greg nr Well-Known Member

    That wouldn't take much. I admit it. I guess I'm a cheap date.
     
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    Budley Doright

    Budley Doright Well-Known Member

    I think someone needs to mail White 10 samples of both organic and not and see if he can pick em, better send me the same and I'll try as well ;).
     
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    whitebb2727

    whitebb2727 Well-Known Member

    Ill say this again. There are studies that show synthetic is no different. There are also studies that show that organics are more nutritional.


    Believe what you want but any study backing synthetics is backed by vested interest.

    Studies can be found to back almost any point of view.

    There are other problems with synthetics. A big problem is all of the synthetics that end up in waste water plants. People dump that stuff down the drain and think nothing about it. Waste water plants are having to deal with it.
     
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    whitebb2727

    whitebb2727 Well-Known Member

    For sure. Lol.


    I'm not saying someone is wrong or that pot grown with synthetics is bad if done right.

    I'm saying I prefer organic and there are many reasons to support organic growing.
     
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    whitebb2727

    whitebb2727 Well-Known Member

    I never did get that shit. I had a buddy that would do that shit.

    Call people a pussy because they smoked less.

    I'm like its cheaper for me to get high dumbass.

    I mean why is that something to brag about? Hur, hur, hur. I can smoke more than you.

    And? Who gives a fuck?
     
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    Budley Doright

    Budley Doright Well-Known Member

    But I really don't think it's the guys that are new to growing and coming in here for help, and yes, a bit of hand holding (I honestly don't see an issue with that personally) that are arguing about flushing. I think it's the more the wanna be masters that think they know all that is known on the subject. Hell even the article that has been posted in here many times as one of the go to "don't flush" sources leaves open the possibility that yes maybe there is something being overlooked, however slim lol. I don't flush for the simple fact I don't notice a difference and that's that, also I hate the looks of a faded out, all dead looking plant, makes me feel like I've failed in some way lol.
     
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    Budley Doright

    Budley Doright Well-Known Member

    There sure is a reason, people pay more lol. The milk that comes from cows fed from my farm sells for a 35-45% premium :). And ya I guess it kinda taste better kinda but I don't buy it lol.
     
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    Creature1969

    Creature1969 Well-Known Member

    Organic has to be done right as well. I'm proof of that. lol. I do better in coco with bottled nutes but I haven't written it off yet. I have soil cooking for another go.

    I've no doubt good organic weed is better, I doubt I'll be able to tell. The only thing I can tell the difference with are tomatos for some reason. Good for me I guess. lol
     
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    Chunky Stool

    Chunky Stool Well-Known Member

    Ever experiment with nutrient teas? They don't have to be 100% organic. I like to add dissolved K2SO4 right before I use the tea on my plants. Makes it easy to balance NPK.
    I've also been known to occasionally add GH FloraMicro + epsom to my teas. Plants dig it. :hump:
     
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    stnr420

    stnr420 Well-Known Member

    N p k and mg are all mobile....calcium is the only major nute that is immobile....
     
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    MichiganMedGrower

    MichiganMedGrower Well-Known Member


    I am not arguing the reasons for organics although depending on source it isnt always cleaner product.

    And any synthetic vs organic test I have seen is 16 or 17 elements only against a myriad of trace elements available in some organic inputs that are easily uptaken by the plant.

    The answer seems to be in micronutrient content.

    And an organic base and supplemental nutes covers all the bases.

    And no one in our caregivers test could pick reliably.
     
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    MichiganMedGrower

    MichiganMedGrower Well-Known Member


    I never tried them. I like the simplicity and lack of smells of bottled nutes.

    I will likely mix some soil one day and try dry organic nutes mixed in or a super soil mix to see if I can water only. But if I have to add stuff I'm pretty happy with my method. It freaken easy and effective.

    I have read nutrient teas are very effective and helpful. And micro biology teas don't really work.

    They say that if the environment is right the biology will appear anyway and if we add it we add good and bad bacteria instead.

    I have only really started on organics. I just picked up the teaming with... books here in an older thread.

    With all the different seeds I like to run and all the different stages I feed each plant differently all the time with bottled nutes so a water only or mostly style would be great if can yield the same results

    Does it bother you to have organics and maybe worms inside? That's my biggest hurdle. I (knock on wood) have never had a marijuana pest past a couple gnats or sprayed for them even.

    I fear they will come with soil mixing and organic amendments. Bubbling teas. Etc.
     
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    Dr. Who

    Dr. Who Well-Known Member

    So look around and buy organic potassium sulfate.....manganese sulfate and magnesium sulfate. They are available.

    Use a simple Bio tea - No added nutrient, other then what you may get from the EWC. Run that weekly with synthetic use. It will increase the effective take-up of the nutrient...... You may need to decrease the nutrient used. Increase the tea use and you will be lowering nutrient use.

    It's partial proof that all those living bio's can work and add effective increase in nutrient uptake. Just look at all the different myco sources available and the claims that go with them. If used effectively, they can add to your results, reduce nutrient use and, like in the case of Mammoth P. Severely reduce your wallet size.

    Brewing simple bio teas is WAY cheaper! More effective, and I find it fun.
     
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    ANC

    ANC Well-Known Member

    I'm not even really sure if it is breeding or just the fact that we got better at growing pot.
    I was watching a video the other day. Clones were grown under 3 different types of light and there was a large spread in potency between them.
     
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    Dr. Who

    Dr. Who Well-Known Member

    Early work and editions are shit. @chemphlegm has it right.
    Jorge isn't all full of shit.
    He needs to (at least) be credited with all the early lighting experiments. From the 400w Merc vapors right up to the 1K HPS. He actually built and sold his own HID systems. Till the FEDS came in and shut that down - 1989 if I remember right. He had a shit ton of work in the bag before many others on indoor lighting and growing Mj......He could have gotten info from greenhouse (commercial non-cannabis) but, back then it was very illegal and you could draw some heavy time for manufacture. So all that he did, had to be done on the qt.
    If there is lighting info and charts in a book or magazine. The whole basis (if not that info) for that, came from Jorge!
     
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    MichiganMedGrower

    MichiganMedGrower Well-Known Member


    Was it the John berfelo vid where he compares a gavita hps a cmh and an led?

    And the cmh has 4% higher thc tested on his own gas chromatograph?

    It's the uv and better spectrum for flowering of the Phillips cmh.

    He also says the led had better smell. And the hps had denser bigger buds than both.
     
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    MichiganMedGrower

    MichiganMedGrower Well-Known Member


    Pretty sure you are talking about ed rosenthal.
     

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