The "I don't starve my plants before harvest" thread

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SirLancelot

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Yea as the name implies this thread is about bud that isn't starved before it's harvested a.k.a "flushed" Yes there has been many many arguments about flushing vs not flushing. and yet Everyone who is for flushing does it because someone they know, or someone who is their customer/client does it or asks for it. The people who belief that marijuana is like every other living fucking plant and doesn't need flush have all done expirements and have found out for themselves.

Ok so I don't flush my bud, and my nugs don't burn harsh nor do they get "black or sparky" for all of you that don't know, this is do to a shitty cure not because nutrients magically moved through the roots up the plant stock (if you have troubles believing this just look up how PLANTS take up nutrients, yes MJ is a plant like any other) and decided to just make a home in your buds. If you understood how plants work or had common sense you'd realize that starving something when it's in it's most crucial stages is iresponsible as a grower. Furthermore no one in the history of agriculture flushes their product, the tobacco industry doesn't flush. Why is marijuana so magically different? It's not, so quit trying to make it something more than it is.

Out of 3 blind taste tests NO ONE has ever been able to tell a difference in flushed and unflushed (with a proper cure). If you want to argue that you can taste a difference please explain how you came up with these results as I am always trying to figure out where this theory has actual facts too it. I am always open to intellectual positive conversation. Of course the majority of people who flush don't have intellectual answers to why they flush, they just do. STOP micromanaging a weed. If you grew the plant correctly to begin with your gonna have bomb as nug regardless. If you cure your bud properly you won't have the harsh smoke that is blamed on non-flushed weed. Like I've said I've done this expirement 3 times because someone has somewhat of a point so I test it out again thinking I missed something yet there never is anything different. Also something to remember a Plant is like Us (humans) we all differ from one another in some way. I just recently harvested two plants of the same strain that both tasted completely different after cure. So I can see how easily people can mispercieve their judgments on taste but You have to understand that nothing in this world benifits from starving and eating off of itself the last few weeks of it's life.

Please fire back with arguments Im open to hear legit answers.

I also figured this would be a good place to show off our "unflushed" babies and how horrible they look/taste since we didn't starve them. Guess you wouldn't smoke this huh?
 

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rocknratm

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Im am fucking sick of these arguments. There are legit reasons a flush would be necessary, and excess (usually alot of it) can cause chemically tasting weed. I just got the grow bible by cervantes to go along with my one by green (both great).
"how to tell when fertilizer will affect taste:
1. leaf tips and fringes are burnt
2. leaves are brittle at harvest
3. buds crackle when burning
4. buds smell like chemicals
5. buds taste like fertilizer"
On page 76 it says "ten to fourteen days before harvest, flush the garden with distilled water or water treated with reverse osmosis"

Im not saying it is always needed, but certainly sometimes is.
Tell me Cervantes is wrong people. Cmon
 

flowamasta

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I just had to reply! ok first things first, i can i agree with some of what you say, ut i think it depends of the type of grow ur doind, soil?, hydro? , perlite?, coco? they all hold nutrients differently, and towards the end of a plants flower cycle, it needs less and less nitrogen, so flushing in theory, will bring this nitrogen down. this will make a difference in taste, and how it smokes. i flush , i use 100% perlite and i flush 7 days prior to harvest, i think this is plenty enough fresh water for the plant to ingest, and let the plant have its it own original flavour, i have tried otherwise, and prefer this method. i cure slowly in jars and i have people falling asleep during the day on my shit, sparkles like magic! dnt go using those damn trimming machines, goodbye quality. no arguments talk to the pros
 
i also believe in this i noticed no difference in flushed vs not flushed weed smells like hay only when u dry too fast..
 

rocknratm

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i also believe in this i noticed no difference in flushed vs not flushed weed smells like hay only when u dry too fast..
I personally see little difference whether I flush or not as well, dispite my post. Im saying in some peoples cases it is needed, if they maximize nutes and use lots of synthetics (humbolt county was found to have carcinogens if I recall) it would help to flush and let the plant finish just with water.

That said I dont see much difference even with curing. One strain I have tastes good no matter if its 1 weeks cure or if its 1 month, danky stinky smell and taste. Even if its strait dried no cure, just abit harsher.
So both flushing and curing are sometimes overrated...
Now I expect to get yelled at for saying curing can be overrated....
 

flowamasta

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to prove this, and THIS WILL PROVE IT!!!. get a nug that is harsh, probably due to chems, (dry ofcourse), and water cure it over 7 days, with fresh water every day, then on day 7 hang to dry again, does not harm potency, as thc is not water soluble, and try the difference, i bet u will, smooth as and it will smell sweeter aswell
 

rocknratm

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to prove this, and THIS WILL PROVE IT!!!. get a nug that is harsh, probably due to chems, (dry ofcourse), and water cure it over 7 days, with fresh water every day, then on day 7 hang to dry again, does not harm potency, as thc is not water soluble, and try the difference, i bet u will, smooth as and it will smell sweeter aswell
so is it that the bud was not cured properly in the first place so water cure does cure it properly? So how much fertilizer is used changes how much cure is needed to get rid of the chems? I thought it was mainly chlorophyl that was "sweat out" during curing.

Most important question- is it only chlorophyl thats sweat out during cure or other chemicals as well? A list if theres more would be helpful.
I can work with the that.

Hypothesis:
curing is not as necessary if there are less synthetic chems and less fertilizer (and built up salts) in the soil when the plant is cut down.

discuss
 

rocknratm

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to prove this, and THIS WILL PROVE IT!!!. get a nug that is harsh, probably due to chems, (dry ofcourse), and water cure it over 7 days, with fresh water every day, then on day 7 hang to dry again, does not harm potency, as thc is not water soluble, and try the difference, i bet u will, smooth as and it will smell sweeter aswell
you prove nothing, just bring more questions.
 

rocknratm

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I have no fact backing this, but I dont know ur right. I think that some chems that are in a plant (specifically in mj flowers) and all built up (or in excess) are stuck there, unremovable after cutting it down by curing or any other method. but I could be wrong.
 

beans davis

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When you flush in soil plants will still get some nutes,in hydro you're starving them.I'm hydro,Icut the nutes back some the last week,not that much tho.
I tried flushing for 1 week and felt I was depriving my plants.
I could not tell the differance in taste.

Sirlancelot beautiful,nice job.I'll smoke with ya brotha man!
 

wbd

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To me, it seems contradictory to denounce flushing so profusely and then conclude no difference in taste in your own blind tests.

As bad as you make flushing sound, I would expect your tests to favor the unflushed buds by a significant (or at least noticeable) margin... yet they don't.

Hmmm.
 

rocknratm

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To me, it seems contradictory to denounce flushing so profusely and then conclude no difference in taste in your own blind tests.

As bad as you make flushing sound, I would expect your tests to favor the unflushed buds by a significant (or at least noticeable) margin... yet they don't.

Hmmm.
isnt denounce a negative descriptive word?

anyway if you read my babbling, I support that it is necessary in some cases. Mine, not so much, I try not to use too much nutes, nothing on the very synthetic side (FF trio, I think its close enough to organic, not completely anyways...).
But read what I posted. There are applications in which flushing will help. But its not always needed. Depends on the situation
 

SirLancelot

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To me, it seems contradictory to denounce flushing so profusely and then conclude no difference in taste in your own blind tests.

As bad as you make flushing sound, I would expect your tests to favor the unflushed buds by a significant (or at least noticeable) margin... yet they don't.

Hmmm.
Im sorry when I meant blind taste tests I meant I administered them too others. And no no one could ever guess which was flushed and not. No my results don't favor unflushed significantly because I don't fudge with the statistics. In my experience and in others experience who have done these tests. There is no noticable difference in quality, yield, trichs nor flavor. Their are no nutrients in the raw form hanging out in buds waiting to be rinsed clean.

I only put down flushing so bad because of what common sense tells me as well as my basic understanding of how plants work.
 

thechemist310

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I'm on the last leg of my first grow and plan to flush. My reasons are: 1. Jorge Cervantes says so and 2. It'll save me on nutes for the last 2 weeks.

If it makes no difference in smell, taste, aroma, etc, then do you see measurable differences in quantity by feeding until the end?
 

ATL HYDRO

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I feel compelled to bring up one good point that is always brought up in these threads:

Every cannabis cup entry for the past 10 years has been flushed.

Wanna argue with Grandmaster growers ? I didn't think so. Flush your Hydro for 7 days.
 

Datdude910

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Im sorry when I meant blind taste tests I meant I administered them too others. And no no one could ever guess which was flushed and not. No my results don't favor unflushed significantly because I don't fudge with the statistics. In my experience and in others experience who have done these tests. There is no noticable difference in quality, yield, trichs nor flavor. Their are no nutrients in the raw form hanging out in buds waiting to be rinsed clean.

I only put down flushing so bad because of what common sense tells me as well as my basic understanding of how plants work.
If there was no difference in quality or yield then why not save nutes and flush?
 

SirLancelot

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I feel compelled to bring up one good point that is always brought up in these threads:

Every cannabis cup entry for the past 10 years has been flushed.

Wanna argue with Grandmaster growers ? I didn't think so. Flush your Hydro for 7 days.

Yes I'd love to talk with one so they can give me information on why flushing is good.
 

ATL HYDRO

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Exactly. I don't know why it is good, but if every cannabis cup entrant and winner gets flushed then I am flushing mine at home.
 
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