Yeah i here ya. Lately i been pulling about 2 even with Gavita 6/750 flex lamps on the 750 setting. I dont crank it to the 800 setting. Low basemnet ceiling and they dont like it. Back in tje day I could hit 2+ with 1000 watter singel ended but not all the time and with no glass. Now with double ended Gavita its standard and iam using less electricity and work to do it. But of course mini split a.c. is mandatory for me with the Gavitas. So it is only slightly cheaper but the work in canopy management and ant count and all that stress with the old scholl single ended lamps to hit weight is practically none.