1. We are currently experiencing issues with viewing and uploading images, our team is working on the issue.
    Dismiss Notice

The Official Canna Coco & Nutrients Thread

Discussion in 'Drain-To-Waste Hydro' started by jberry, Aug 9, 2009.

  1.  
    since1991

    since1991 Well-Known Member

    Ive used the whole canna lineup. There is not many additives. And i dont see much of a difference with ot without them. The Canna Coco base is damn good though. At 2 tsp (10ml) of each part per gallon gets it done for me. From mid veg all through flower. You can bump it to 12 ml per but its not necessary. Canna coco nutrient and Canna brick coco coir....all you need. I mist admit...Rhizotonic is very good for early roots but there are cheaper alternatives that work just as good. A good quality silicate like Europonic or Dynagro brand (or make your own with k silicate salts like Agsil) and some pH down...you can grow just about anything.
     
    gr865 likes this.
  2.  
    danzibar1234

    danzibar1234 Member


    I've personally achieved good weight and flavours just using firstly good cuttings
    Consistent environment

    A+b
    Rhizo root stim
    Pk 13/14
    Advanced nutes overdrive

    My friend has just achieved great results averaging over 6oz per plant one month flower not sure exactly how long he went in veg he grew white amnesia or something like that

    Again

    Good cuttings

    Consistent environment

    A+b

    Pk 13/14 of which he only used for one week

    Multivitamins



    One thing I've noticed over the years a lot of products in the shops are just there to catch your eye and are not needed what so ever

    Another crucial thing I've noticed is that if you do have really healthy cuttings and your environment is above average as long as you don't go to silly on nutes you can achieve big things
     
    CannaBruh, since1991 and gr865 like this.
  3.  
    since1991

    since1991 Well-Known Member

    This is so true
     
    CannaBruh likes this.
  4.  
    theblacklung

    theblacklung New Member

    Does anyone know who actually runs Canna? I'm mad sketched out because I tried to figure out who actually runs the company and could not find anything...

    Has anyone ever done business with them or met anyone who works there?

    Advanced Nutrients is super transparent in this regard and that makes it easier to trust them.
     
    since1991 likes this.
  5.  
    since1991

    since1991 Well-Known Member

    As far as i know they are a Holland based company. Started out a little while ago. Stayed in Europe for quite a bit before getting a foothold in America about 10 or so years ago. They pioneered the coco coir thing to this (cannabis - wink wink) industry but in Holland they turned on big fruit (strawberry) greenhouse growers onto the medium. I remember seeing the later editions of Jorge Cervantes books with pictures of Canna nute bottles with Dutch writing in the background of gardens. Same with old timey Dutch Pro nutes (an even older brand) and Hesi. Thats all i know about them. Anyone else that knows the history of the Canna nute company...feel free to chime in. This shit interests me.
     
  6.  
    since1991

    since1991 Well-Known Member

    The first time i seen thier nutes for sale in the U.S.A. was on the Discount Hydroponics out of Riverside CA. website and catalog awhile back.
     
  7.  
    monsativaOLK

    monsativaOLK New Member

    Hello. I have tap water 0.05. Up to what level of the EC to add calcium and magnesium? 0.2? 0.3? 0.4 EC?
    How do we combine the calcium magnesium with silicon?
    Help, please
    From russia with love, tovarishchi))))
    Piece, olkpeace.org
     
    Last edited: Oct 29, 2016
  8.  
    monsativaOLK

    monsativaOLK New Member

  9.  
    Dilago

    Dilago Member

    I never count the Ec of my water. I give between 1.1 and 1.3 and my plants never suffer from deficiencies using only Canna Coco A + B. I am talking about Amnesia Haze btw, some other strains may require a higher ppm.
     
    since1991 likes this.
  10.  
    porrista

    porrista Well-Known Member

    I have this plant that grew up really nice and bushy but as soon as it started flowering, it began having MG and K deficiencies. I have read a ton since then and teste the coco on top of the pot and the PH was 6.4, so I thought it was fine according to what is expected but the runoff coms out sometimes lower than what I put in and in the best of cases, it comes out the same.

    I read the ph inside the medium should be the middle between what goes in and what goes out but what if you get about the same and still you have deficiencies?

    Regarding the flush, I've been kind-of flushing for the last 2 weeks, very tired now of measuring recipes for the PH as it fluctuates a lot in my tap water. One day it comes out at 6.9, the other day at 6, with little variation on the PPMs, fluctuating from 35ppms to 70ppms.

    Regarding ppms, I put in someting like:

    - 1g of sitting water ( to get rid of chloride as much as possible ).(*) -- PH: 6.6, PPM 35.
    - 1CC Flora Nectar (K+Mg) -> ph 6.5, ppms = 95ppm
    - 6cc A+B -> ph: 5.9, 650ppm
    - 6cc Canna Boost -> ph, 5.6-7, 650-660ppms.
    - Few drops of PH up -> 5.8-6.0 - 650-660 ppms.

    The flush or runoff comes out only 100ppm less and the ph from what goes in vs what goes out barely fluctuates. Still I have some sort of lockout and last night for example, I add a few more drops of PH (6.25) cause the runoff was coming out at 6.0 vs 6.4 on the plant without problems and what is expected on coco, Today I did the same and the run off came out even lower than yesterday.

    Seems like there is something inside the pot causing it to acidify the medium regardless of what goes in.

    Could it be the Subculture-M producing too much CO2 in the root zone an thus acidifying it too much?

    In that case, should I water with plain water to kill some of them?

    More data:

    50-50 perlite coco, made a tea with 1 teaspoon of subculture AB + 1 tablespoon raw cane sugar ( sugar + K ) in 1.5L of water, and it bubbles just as much as 1 cup of sugar + yiest. Seems it produces more CO2 than yiest, or I could be wrong but it definitely is producing OC2 at root level.
     
    Last edited: Nov 5, 2016
  11.  
    Dilago

    Dilago Member

    My idea is you never have deficiencies when using a quality a + b nutriment and supplements will get you nowhere when used to band-aid the plants. Flush the medium with clear water (pH 5.7) until you receive the same pH in return. After that start feeding with only A + B at Ec 1.3 en keep the pH range about 5.7.
     
    since1991 likes this.
  12.  
    since1991

    since1991 Well-Known Member

    Yep. If your using a good bottled nute like Canna..H&G..Advanced..General..Ionic..Dyna..etc. Its definitely not the nutes if you keep everything between 1.0 and 1.8 pH depending on the stage of growth. Almost always its a pH..start water or environment problem. Usually pH. You only need a little pH down for most tap waters. Mine is 0.2 EC and 7.6 pH. ALL the one, two, & three part bases drop it down to 6.4 - 6.5 pH at about 10 ml (2 tsp )of each part of a 2 part. 20 ml. for Ionic one part and 5 ml. for Dynagro. And they all put me in the 1.2 - 1.5 EC sweet spot. This has the 0.2 EC of the tap included. A VERY small amount of pH down (VERY SMALL) at 6.0pH final and its good to go for all vegging and early to mid and late flower.
     
    Dilago likes this.
  13.  
    since1991

    since1991 Well-Known Member

    I agree with this except flushing the coco with straight water. I would do it with 1.0 EC (500 ppm)of base nutrient with 5.7 to 6.0 pH.
     
    porrista and Dilago like this.
  14.  
    Dilago

    Dilago Member

    I'd at least start with only tap water and judging from the return Ec decide to add a bit nutriment or not. When salt has built up in the medium this is mostly a sign you're growing too dry or/and are overfeeding. Less is more and by doing so there will be no need to flush..
     
    since1991 likes this.
  15.  
    since1991

    since1991 Well-Known Member

    My sweet spot for mature root system plants in veg is almost always 2 tsp (10ml) per gallon of a simple 2 part A & B coco coir specific base nutrient. I might nudge this up to a tsp and a half (12 ml) at peak flower but usually not. And a little bit of pH down in the 6.0 range. All the 2 part brands ard similar. Canna Sensi Coco House and Garden Cocotek Nutrifield Atami...all of them are damn near identical in dilution rates and visible results of plants and final product. The actual numbers and mineral percentages dont seem to matter. My strains all respond the same to them all.
     
    CannaBruh likes this.
  16.  
    porrista

    porrista Well-Known Member

    My tap water is only 35ppm, I need to amend calmag to it, lately I've been using Flora Nectar instead, as it adds Mg but not Ca and allows me to add a cc more of AB (Canna), but I haven't used more than 4cc per liter so far, If I use 4cc per liter, the PH goes down to 4.8 and I add PH up on top of it until around 6.1

    Update: The MG def stopped completely and a new PK def started, so I used PK (canna) for a couple of watering and now I;m on the last 2 weeks, using Dry Kool Blook and reduced the AB to 2cc per gallon. Seems it is over for her and I'm just waiting to harvest now.

    I have a couple autos starting to flower and I've been carefully watering them at 6.1, no red stems so far yet the upper leaves always start light green and get darker eventually. Hoping to not get any problems with those.
     
  17.  
    porrista

    porrista Well-Known Member

    I think it definitely could have been better. Like, I don't see any super fat bud in there.
     

    Attached Files:

  18.  
    BudzMalone

    BudzMalone Member

    Hi, I'm on my first week of flower and I'm going to run out of coco a + b I've got some terra flores, can I use that while I wait for the delivery?

    This is my first grow 4 x blueberry under a 600w

    Thanks in advance.

    Sorry for the light in the pic.
     

    Attached Files:

  19.  
    OrganicCanuck

    OrganicCanuck Active Member

    You run 2 exhausts rated at 240 cfm each in a 4x4 tent???? with a 120 cfm intake? You have problems with heat using a 400 watt?

    I have a 150 cfm exhaust only and i have to run a VFD to slow that sucker down. Otherwise i would be afraid my tent may implode!
     
  20.  
    muleface

    muleface Well-Known Member

    I have never used this medium before, so if i got this correct. I use coco coir by itself and add nutrients during watering? I was going to use 2 gallon fabric bags. Do i use nutrients every time I water?
     

Share This Page