travisw
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the politics of fucking little girls: roy moore, the next GOP senator from alabama
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ttystikk
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Nope, the goal posts are still in the very same place; you're just stuck in the last war while the rest of the political world is preparing for the next one.
If you could manage to drop the arrogant holier than thou tone, you may discover that we're in complete agreement on these points.
The only place I differ from the conformism Gestapo here is in terms of methods; having watched the Democratic Party repeatedly choose the money over representing their self proclaimed constituents, I'm no longer confident they will do what I want to see done. Therefore, I'm supporting the Progressive Movement in an effort to force the Democratic Party establishment to take the majority of voters is says it represents seriously and do as we ask- or be replaced by a party that will.
This is an historic time in our nation's political and ideological history.
The oligarch's long running class warfare has finally been recognized for what it is and We the People are beginning to fight back.
The next few years will see this battle get truly underway. It won't be won in the next election, nor even probably in 2020 but it has at least finally been joined.
What side are you on?
ttystikk
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It's the same story throughout the country; metro areas are heavily populated and liberal, while most of the rural areas are conservative. The resulting balance of power in each state therefore closely reflects the urban/rural balance of that state. This is even true for California, Democratic Party supermajority notwithstanding.
ttystikk
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Remember that time when you had something thoughtful and intelligent to add to the conversation?
Yeah, me neither.
ttystikk
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Having lived in Arkansas- land of the Clintons, which is highly relevant in its own right- I've seen many of the barriers that are erected against poor citizens, a disproportionately large number of whom are minorites, black in the case of AR.
It starts long before voting age; their schools prepare them for sharecropping it prison, not citizenship. It's hard for them to get ID and therefore voter registration. They're constantly told that their votes don't matter. Voting is done during work hours and somehow they're discouraged from taking time off from their blue collar jobs to exercise their voting rights... by the usually white, conservative management. Official State ID is NOT considered 'valid identification', amazingly enough- only a real, actual driver's license qualifies (issued by the very same authorities from the very same offices, strangely enough). So without a car, one is effectively disenfranchised. The list of these kinds of subtle hurdles goes on and on, these are just the ones I still remember after a quarter century.
Fogdog
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So, you are saying it's not just black people who are deliberately targeted but poor people?
ttystikk
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In Arkansas, the discrimination was both racial and economic. I did not get out into the countryside much and so I really can't comment on the specifics there. I heard stories but that's hearsay.
I did notice that as a white man I was never questioned about my identity or right to vote, while black people in the same line for the ballot box did get extra scrutiny. That's subjective, yet such behavior was all but universal.
Turns out that poor people tended then, as now, to vote Democratic. Mr Clinton was preceded and replaced by Republicans.
Fogdog
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I've heard the same. It is said that barriers are often administrative in how the policy was skewed to exclude minorities. It would be fun to see a sting operation where similarly credentialed people, one black and another white try to get a license.
ttystikk
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No one at the State level would do it. Yeah, it's that bad.
It's exactly what we need our Federal Government to do but they've made it rather clear that they don't feel protecting the rights of citizens is their job anymore- unless of course their income exceeds 7 figures to the left of the decimal place.
I have seen examples of special VIP treatment of such people, as well.
SneekyNinja
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ttystikk
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Do you have anything to say relevant to the thread topic? Let alone constructive?
It IS possible to disagree and still act like adults. It just takes maturity.
You do have some, don't you?
see4
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I get what you are saying, and honestly I'm on board with what to do "moving forward", but unless we can dismiss the past and move on, we will also continue to argue about the past.
Step one, make sure Trump is not president. Step two, remove most of the ass hats in senate and congress and replace with progressive thinkers. Step three, repeal Citizens united. Step four, repeal Electoral college. Step five, legalize pot. Step six, give see4 $100 for coming up with such an awesome plan.
Im high. Really really high. My homegrown is ALWAYS better than the shit they sell at dispensaries. Ewww.
see4
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lol, REKT!!
tangerinegreen555
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Fogdog
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Too bad that we only had four months of a veto proof majority in the Senate at the same time we had control of the WH and House. We managed 34 pieces of legislation during that session. Obama tried to address voter ID as the 35th and it didn't make the cut.
This is where you say corrupt Democrats are the same as Republicans.
PCXV
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Only the corrupt ones.
It's one of the things that still surprises and disturbs me the most; that millions of American conservatives are so spoon fed full of hate that they don't respect anyone with a D in front of their name. I can see good in some republican representatives and candidates, but I don't think I know a Republican that doesn't hate Democrats in the most extreme fashion. There are decent Democrats out there. Could the party use improvement? Yes, of course. But we have to vote that change, discuss that change, debate that change, and above all bring people into that discussion. A haphazard will for morality will never defeat the propensity for immorality. Edit: hate for immorality should drive us but shouldn't be employed as a strategy beyond reason. I think we need to start disciplining ourselves from hating too much.
SneekyNinja
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Don't mention me in a cage you fucking weirdo, put your dick away and step back from the internet connected device.
ttystikk
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UncleBuck
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no he wasn't because hillary beat him easily. had him beat in march even without busting out the oppo research.
ttystikk
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In a rigged contest.
Therefore, results are irrelevant.
Next year is going to be very interesting.