The Real Reason White People Say...

ttystikk

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All Lives Matter.

I thought this was a well written, thought provoking article. It definitely challenged some of my preconceived notions.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/11109842
Black lives matter.

Until the most vulnerable among us is treated with the same dignity and respect as anyone else, it cheapens our society and reflects poorly on all of us. Especially those of us who do have the power and social acceptance to speak up.
 

chemphlegm

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there always have been and always will be those who are or believe they are oppressed. Some people are oppressed for the clothes they wear, the last three letters of their name, color of their skin or their fathers' skin etc, Its always been that way. it will never change until we all look act smell dress earn love live vote die eat sleep the same as each other. by design we are not meant to get along, camaraderie and unity is the enemy of the oppressors. As long as we continue to appoint others to impose their will upon us nothing changes.

karl marx- "The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them.”

carl sagan-“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
 
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ttystikk

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there always have been and always will be those who are or believe they are oppressed. Some people are oppressed for the clothes they wear, the last three letters of their name, color of their skin or their fathers' skin etc, Its always been that way. it will never change until we all look act smell dress earn love live vote die eat sleep the same as each other. by design we are not meant to get along, camaraderie and unity is the enemy of the oppressors. As long as we continue to appoint others to impose their will upon us nothing changes.

karl marx- "The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them.”

carl sagan-“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
And then there are people who know damn good and well they're being mistreated because of their race or sexual orientation or nation of origin or religion.

Your white privilege is showing.

Black lives.
Gay lives.
Muslim lives.
Poor lives.
Mentally disabled lives.
These matter- and must garner just as much respect as white lives, or none of us matter as much as we should.
 

chemphlegm

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And then there are people who know damn good and well they're being mistreated because of their race or sexual orientation or nation of origin or religion.

Your white privilege is showing.

Black lives.
Gay lives.
Muslim lives.
Poor lives.
Mentally disabled lives.
These matter- and must garner just as much respect as white lives, or none of us matter as much as we should.
should could wish it was.......ok, me too. time to wake up, it aint like that, never has been, hope it ill be though.
when one person governs many some will always be mistreated for any reason at all. no matter the color.
I am not white btw.
 

ttystikk

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should could wish it was.......ok, me too. time to wake up, it aint like that, never has been, hope it ill be though.
when one person governs many some will always be mistreated for any reason at all. no matter the color.
I am not white btw.
I chose to believe we can work together towards this goal that serves our common interest.

I'm as white as it gets but I could not feel more strongly about the need for diversity. Not just diversity of color- that's the least relevant difference!- but diversity of culture, background, history, perspective and approach.

The simple truth is that we need each other's unique contributions, now more than ever.
 

stoned-monkey

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I had typed a whole thing up about race and racism but one thing I found is that even with this "white privilege" talking honest and openly about race as a white men is not tolerated.

also stop saying because I am white I have some special treatment cause that's good old fashion racist propaganda there.
not all white people live some charmed life.

black lives matter to me.
 

chemphlegm

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I chose to believe we can work together towards this goal that serves our common interest.

I'm as white as it gets but I could not feel more strongly about the need for diversity. Not just diversity of color- that's the least relevant difference!- but diversity of culture, background, history, perspective and approach.

The simple truth is that we need each other's unique contributions, now more than ever.
our government has adopted this Lynch(mob) letter
I saw this story play out in a book about the tower of Babel too. its age old I'm thinking, for keeping everyone a servant.

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/Perspectives_1/Willie_Lynch_letter_The_Making_of_a_Slave.shtml

I HAVE OUTLINED A NUMBER OF DIFFERENCES AMONG THE SLAVES; AND I TAKE THESE DIFFERENCES AND MAKE THEM BIGGER. I USE FEAR, DISTRUST AND ENVY FOR CONTROL PURPOSES. These methods have worked on my modest plantation in the West Indies and it will work throughout the South. Take this simple little list of differences and think about them. On top of my list is “AGE,” but it’s there only because it starts with an “a.” The second is “COLOR” or shade. There is INTELLIGENCE, SIZE, SEX, SIZES OF PLANTATIONS, STATUS on plantations, ATTITUDE of owners, whether the slaves live in the valley, on a hill, East, West, North, South, have fine hair, course hair, or is tall or short. Now that you have a list of differences, I shall give you an outline of action, but before that, I shall assure you that DISTRUST IS STRONGER THAN TRUST AND ENVY STRONGER THAN ADULATION, RESPECT OR ADMIRATION. The Black slaves after receiving this indoctrination shall carry on and will become self-refueling and self-generating for HUNDREDS of years, maybe THOUSANDS. Don’t forget, you must pitch the OLD black male vs. the YOUNG black male, and the YOUNG black male against the OLD black male. You must use the DARK skin slaves vs. the LIGHT skin slaves, and the LIGHT skin slaves vs. the DARK skin slaves. You must use the FEMALE vs. the MALE, and the MALE vs. the FEMALE. You must also have white servants and overseers [who] distrust all Blacks. But it is NECESSARY THAT YOUR SLAVES TRUST AND DEPEND ON US. THEY MUST LOVE, RESPECT AND TRUST ONLY US. Gentlemen, these kits are your keys to control. Use them. Have your wives and children use them, never miss an opportunity. IF USED INTENSELY FOR ONE YEAR, THE SLAVES THEMSELVES WILL REMAIN PERPETUALLY DISTRUSTFUL.
 
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ttystikk

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our government has adopted this Lynch(mob) letter
I saw this story play out in a book of Babel too. its age old I'm thinking, for keeping everyone a servant.

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/Perspectives_1/Willie_Lynch_letter_The_Making_of_a_Slave.shtml

I HAVE OUTLINED A NUMBER OF DIFFERENCES AMONG THE SLAVES; AND I TAKE THESE DIFFERENCES AND MAKE THEM BIGGER. I USE FEAR, DISTRUST AND ENVY FOR CONTROL PURPOSES. These methods have worked on my modest plantation in the West Indies and it will work throughout the South. Take this simple little list of differences and think about them. On top of my list is “AGE,” but it’s there only because it starts with an “a.” The second is “COLOR” or shade. There is INTELLIGENCE, SIZE, SEX, SIZES OF PLANTATIONS, STATUS on plantations, ATTITUDE of owners, whether the slaves live in the valley, on a hill, East, West, North, South, have fine hair, course hair, or is tall or short. Now that you have a list of differences, I shall give you an outline of action, but before that, I shall assure you that DISTRUST IS STRONGER THAN TRUST AND ENVY STRONGER THAN ADULATION, RESPECT OR ADMIRATION. The Black slaves after receiving this indoctrination shall carry on and will become self-refueling and self-generating for HUNDREDS of years, maybe THOUSANDS. Don’t forget, you must pitch the OLD black male vs. the YOUNG black male, and the YOUNG black male against the OLD black male. You must use the DARK skin slaves vs. the LIGHT skin slaves, and the LIGHT skin slaves vs. the DARK skin slaves. You must use the FEMALE vs. the MALE, and the MALE vs. the FEMALE. You must also have white servants and overseers [who] distrust all Blacks. But it is NECESSARY THAT YOUR SLAVES TRUST AND DEPEND ON US. THEY MUST LOVE, RESPECT AND TRUST ONLY US. Gentlemen, these kits are your keys to control. Use them. Have your wives and children use them, never miss an opportunity. IF USED INTENSELY FOR ONE YEAR, THE SLAVES THEMSELVES WILL REMAIN PERPETUALLY DISTRUSTFUL.
Classic divide and conquer tactics.

This succinctly explains our current socio-political situation, and how the wealthy and well connected fancy themselves our modern slave masters.

...and this is exactly why I feel so strongly about welcoming all races into our common goal of equality and prosperity for all.
 

chemphlegm

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Classic divide and conquer tactics.

This succinctly explains our current socio-political situation, and how the wealthy and well connected fancy themselves our modern slave masters.

...and this is exactly why I feel so strongly about welcoming all races into our common goal of equality and prosperity for all.
all the way back to our very first appearance in history though, as if it was an installed program into our very dna, not a new concept at all, rather the beginnings of our civilization and social development of animals and of men.
 

chemphlegm

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It has always been like that for those who want it to be, and never for those who don't

"Some people are oppressed for the clothes they wear, the last three letters of their name, color of their skin or their fathers' skin etc, Its always been that way"


you think the oppressed want to be oppressed?
 

abandonconflict

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"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says 'I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;' who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a 'more convenient season.' Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."

- Martin Luther King, Jr., from ‘Letter from a Birmingham Jail,’ April 16, 1963
 

schuylaar

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"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says 'I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;' who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a 'more convenient season.' Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."

- Martin Luther King, Jr., from ‘Letter from a Birmingham Jail,’ April 16, 1963
they now call order, status quo and pragmatic..stay far away from those who seek no change.

everything about human is change and constant state of flux.

if blacks were white they'd have the same issue- differences.

i'm willing to bet the black, brown, yellow man all have a 'pecking' order just as whites.

this is as old as man and time itself.
 
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