The reason we have to fight

Wavels

Well-Known Member
This Canadian has it exactly right!....IMHO!
:blsmoke:

Imagine a history book being read by people in 100 years time. In a chapter entitled, Why We Fought, it would list the crimes of an ideology and a movement, Islamic fundamentalism, that became so powerful and so grotesque in the opening years of the 21st century that the civilized world was obliged to resist.
The book would explain that some of the wars of resistance were unsuccessful, or even ill-advised, but that in the end the forces of light triumphed over the death-black darkness.
It would also recount how some people in the civilized world opposed the struggle, out of self-loathing, cowardice, leftist politics or simply because they were part of the jihadist movement.
But right always wins in the end, the readers would be reminded, and did so in this great culture war. Because the crimes were as many as they were devilish.
They beheaded Christian girls in Indonesia who were making their way to school. They stopped them at gunpoint, forced them to kneel down and then cut off their heads, the blood drenching their tiny uniforms.

They planted bombs in places of worship that belonged to their own Muslim faith, murdering scores of people who they knew to be innocent, apolitical and intent only on worshipping and praying. They demanded that others respect Mosques but simultaneously used them as killing fields.
They murdered 150,000 of their own people in Algeria in an attempt to destabilize their government. Often they would slit the throats of children in front of their parents before in turn killing those horrified mothers and fathers.
In Iraq they kidnapped people who had devoted their lives to helping the impoverished and the abused, tied those good people up like animals and then tortured and humiliated them. They videotaped their screams and their wild pleas for mercy and help and then slowly cut off their heads with a knife, holding the severed object up to the cameras.
They pulled organs from within the bodies of their victims and offered them to children, then ran away with severed limbs as if they were treasured trophies.
In Lebanon they dragged badly wounded co-religionists from their hospital beds and beat them to death on the street. Many of these men had been their allies only days before. In northern Israel they kidnapped families and forced fathers to watch their tiny sons having their brains literally beaten out of their heads on the rocks.
They declared their intention to target children because, they said, they knew their enemies valued children most of all and loved life. For them, they boasted, death was more important than life. They vomited this philosophy all over the world, in Africa, Asia, Europe, North America and Australia.
They indoctrinated their own children and taught them to hate and loathe and lust for blood and death. They bombed schools, mosques, churches, hospitals, crowds of children asking for candy, old people's homes, funeral possessions.
They despised progress, freedom, grace, gentleness, empathy, tolerance, civilization, truth, thought, understanding, joy, laughter and love. They hated humanity and they hated God.
That, the readers would be told, was why we fought. And that is why we fight. Because if we genuinely care about all that is fine and grand and important we have no choice.
TorontoSun.com - Michael Coren - The reason we have to fight
 

ViRedd

New Member
Pretty scary picture there Wavels. Like I said in a previous post: The only good terrorist is a dead one.

Vi
 

7xstall

Well-Known Member
sadly, many of the finger in the wind politicians place no value on life either. the deadline vote was a great victory for the terrorists, i am sure they celebrated when they heard the news about this....





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Garden Knowm

The Love Doctor
distill wavels.. distill.. every thing you say is a reletavive truth to the concepts... LOOK around.. take a deep breath.. and ask yourself, do you SEE a single concept in the world.. or are they all IN your head...

distill tese conepts... turn them into the funde3mentals.. see things for what they are!

and if CONCEPTS are just in your head, what are you really looking at... who cares...

iloveyou

every concept used is hiding the truth.. government, christians, muslims, democrat, republican etc.. all concepts.. all hiding the truth...

sure ONE can argue their own limitations and CLAIM that concepts are neccessary for conversation and understanding... HOG WASH...

argue YOUR limitations and they are yours...

for years people have used ontology and epistimology to distill the flasehoods that PEOPLE build in their own brains to defend their ignorance and false identity... and this is normal...


It is time to consciously evolve... to be brave and go beyond what we KNOW... and to do this we must first let go of the comforts of OUR innner sactum called conceptual thinking.... to face OUR biggest fear.. ourselves... the self we hide from using concepts...

there are just people HERE... nothing else...

it has always... and always will be.. just people.. they are all your family..

iloveyou
 

ViRedd

New Member
"it has always... and always will be.. just people.. they are all your family."

Yes, well I hate to break it to you, GK, but there are some "family" members out there who want us all dead.

Vi



 

Garden Knowm

The Love Doctor
"it has always... and always will be.. just people.. they are all your family."

Yes, well I hate to break it to you, GK, but there are some "family" members out there who want us all dead.

Vi





If ONE does not react to every sensation.. One can begin to approach the truth... FEAR is the most difficult reaction to watch ... But if ONE watches FEAR long enough (rather than react) ONE can also see the illusion of fear..

iloveyou
 

fnord

Active Member
lucky for you lots of brave people are willing to fight for your right to sing "Kumbaya"
 

7xstall

Well-Known Member
GK, what do you do if a bus is rolling directly at you and you have ample time to move out of the way:

a. wave to the bus and grin.
b. moon the bus.
c. move out of the way and avoid getting smashed.
d. "watch" the bus until it rolls over you.

now, i know your posts well enough to predict what your smart ass answer "would" be..but seriously, what's the deal with the "do nothing" philosophy?
 

Indie

Well-Known Member
distill tese conepts... turn them into the funde3mentals.. see things for what they are!....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................Maybe that\'s the problem, you can\'t see the world in front of you. what color is the sky in *iloveyou* world?........................Indie
 

Wavels

Well-Known Member


GK, IMO.....your post is more cryptic than usual!
I am not certain what your point is....maybe way too spiritual for politics....
??
How would you have us deal with bad guys?
Unless you are saying that there is no such thing as evil incarnate?
 

Poe_Theed

Active Member
I for one don't believe in "evil-incarnate", some people are just extremely misguided.

Just because you want another option to violence, hate, oppression, prejudice and other inherently nasty things doesn't mean that you automatically have a step-by-step plan to create a perfect world.

And I didn't know the thread was on politics, I thought it was a future history book scenario. But in fairness, History IS written by the victors...

Im sure that the people committing those atrocities dont even see their victims as human beings, in essence they have been dehumanised.
It is hard to imagine that as a little boy of say, 5 years old, Osama had dreams of destroying western capitalism, he was merely misguided by adults with "isms". Idealism, anti-Americanism, narcissism.
The exact same thing occurs in every other part of the world - republicanism, imperialism, egoism.

I think when GK says that we are members of the same family, he is completely right.

"We have to fight, we have no choice"?!
Emmmm... I choose to uninvolve myself with my predecessors negative "isms".
Im like Captain Nemo without a submarine :D...... Man it'd be cool to have that submarine...
 

Wavels

Well-Known Member
Hi Poe....Interesting post....Jules Verne was a great writer who saw the future with eerie prescience!

I am an agnostic, but I believe in the existence of pure evil!
Some people do very, very bad things....someone has to stop them from doing these things...
Otherwise they ruin it for everyone else!

Remember these are our SELF AVOWED enemies. They volunteered to have bull’s-eyes put on their heads!
They are begging us to shoot them….this is our moral imperative…IMO!
 

Poe_Theed

Active Member
Hey Wavels

You're an agnostic and you believe in evil incarnate, slight oxymoron no?
Human beings, sadly, are capable of great evil. If you have 20 mins to spare Id recommend watching this :

Human Behavior Experiments 2 of 4 - Google Video

It shows that even someone who could never dream of doing evil things, when put in the right situation, can.

Please don't say "Our self-avowed enemies", they're not mine.
It is never someone's "moral imperative" to take another life, never.
 

Garden Knowm

The Love Doctor
lucky for you lots of brave people are willing to fight for your right to sing "Kumbaya"
I drove through the syrian desert from (beruit into turkey) twice.... I have chilled in Chechnya, walked the streets of Damascus, Nairobi, Paris, NYC, Warsaw, Beruit, Mombasa, Santo Domingo, Los Angles, . and the list goes on... and on... over 40 countries.. i walk the planet and see nothing but ME.. it is just more humans with the same issues I have.. manifesting in different ways....

With this realization I have infinite compassion

I have been threatened by gun point (many times).. and 3 times by knife (first time was in the 7th grade in the Bronx) and several other times...

Most of these people I have made friends with.. Not all..some I ran from... and never looked back...

I am LOVE.. I just keep telling myself that I am LOVE.. I expect to be loved.. I expect to LOVE... there is nothing spiritual about it... it is just as much spiritual as it is science.....

I KNOW THAT THE WOLRD GIVES ME EXACTLY WHAT I GIVE IT...

anybody can learn this by simply sitting and watching ONEs thughts.. the world is nothing BUT your thoughts...

have you seen ground hog day with Bill Murray? This is how most people live.. but because their days are cloaked in different cloth everyday.. they think the days are different... But it is the same..

UNTIL ONE wakes up... UNTIL one sits and with ALL their might stops reacting.....and just watches the thoughts... one will stay asleep.. with the illusion of being awake...

When ONE watches LIFE with the complete attention as if you were in a room trapped wth a cobra... don't let that cobra out of your site.. DONT REACT...!!!!!!!!!!! dont react to life and ONE can actual wake up and see. that everything that comes YOUr way has been called by you.. and then you never have to react again.. YOU CAN actually ACT

ACTING requires being awake.. and not reacting.. ONE can not know what acting is until one stops reacting....

So..your afraid of terrorists.. or you belive in terrorists.. you belive that the car outside is yours and that you need an alram to protect it from getting stolen..

well guess what.. it is all coming.. like the ultimate santa claus..everything ONE thinks is COMING your way...

so I make sure I watch my THOUGHTS.. i practie twice a day everyday.. and I try to watch at all times.... all moments... I watch them and I take responsibiliy for them....


iloveyou


If a bus is coming towards me, I move (one time in Belfast a man threw me on the ground and saved my life, as I almost got hit by a bus)

Nobody is fighting for me... NOBODY I would never ask anybody to do for me.. what I am not willing to do for myself.. this is one of the "rules" to staying awake... (there are no rules)

I picture peace covering the planet everyday.. I sit and picture peace for everyone..

iloveyou
 

Garden Knowm

The Love Doctor
there is no eveil here...
it is just people..

name calling is JUST the mind trying to give itself false identity (by differenciating itself from others) and the security of understanding...

NAMING is the origin of all particular things - lao tzu
 

VictorVIcious

Well-Known Member
I think there is a reason to set a timeline. And while I don't often agree with Carl Levin, he has this one right. It is time the Iraqi people take over thier own country. 70% voted. The report listing the Iraqi death total at over 600,000 had been widely criticized, but is now being considered accurate. 2million people have left the country. Most of the people being killed by bombs are Iraqi's. Deadlines bring results. We need to get out of the way.
 

7xstall

Well-Known Member
very interesting post GK, have you read "The Power of Intention"? the author describes the interaction/exchange of people with the universe in a manor very similar to what you have laid out.
 

Garden Knowm

The Love Doctor
very interesting post GK, have you read "The Power of Intention"? the author describes the interaction/exchange of people with the universe in a manor very similar to what you have laid out.
I have not read that book.. but I will look it up.. thank you 7x..

iloveyou
 

krime13

Well-Known Member
Yes, thanks G.K. , someone who I can agree with, Please let me add this, after all since this is about WAR on terror and all I think A SUN TZU quote is appropriate" to destroy yoyr enemys army is second best,the best is to preserve it and use it as your own" the point is , this is the war of ideology,to kill millions of people, even if they are muslim fundamentalists is immoral and close to impossible, what we have to do is to win the war in theyr heads, we have to show them by example that we are loving and just people, we cannot drop to theyr level, the only option we are left with is to elevate us and them to a level G.K. is talking about, JUST HUMAN :neutral:
 
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