Trouble Finding Quality Organic Soil Grown Meds I am happy with

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MiMedicalMJ

Member
First off

1) I am NOT trying to bag on anyone whose growing, you all are stepping up to the plate and that is GREAT! I respect everyone whose doing this for the right reasons! (sorry those of you who are rushing and just care about the cash in your pocket and nothing else will not last)

2) I am NOT expecting anyone to give anything away... I know the time and effort as well as expense in properly growing quality soil based organic meds and am willing to fairly compensate people for their time and effort.

OK
I belong and go to a couple of the CC's
I have been to a couple of the dispensaries
I have gone to a couple of the private events.

Medicine is out there that is not the issue.

Quality medicine is.

I do not know if the long timers are still staying in their network underground or
the clubs and dispensaries keep that under the table for themselves and close friends.
but seems everything I am finding is:

1) Hydro which I have always found to be a bit harsher on the throat (even when flushed properly)
2) Most of what I have found is not flushed as people get excited and all of the sudden get $ signs in their eyes and rush
3) Most is harvested too soon, many are not checking their trichomes
4) Trimming..... WOW I know its a pain from when I did grow in college but its soooo important to do
5) Curing, this goes back to the rushing due the the dollar signs or patients pushing to get medicine as they are in need.

Its funny, in the past year I will admit the access to medicine has become much easier but the access to the quality I always used to get has vanished for me.

I am wondering have others noticed this at all?
Lets hear what you have noticed?

If there is anyone who can help me with this issue please let me know.... PM me

Please do not get me wrong, I am not slamming the current growers... I applaud them all for starting the learning curve and I know the genuine people will learn to be patient and not rush for the dollar... Those are the ones who survive not people only out for the all mighty dollar.
I applaud the current growers for getting out there and doing it, taking the risk I am not willing to do with the current way the LE is handling things since they are so new. I am unable to put my business, house and family on the line.... It is not fair to my family. I hope things change soon so I do not have to be paranoid.

As for a CG, I am my own as well as for two friends who are patients and deserve the best (MS and Cancer) but that is going to take a few mths as all of you know so I am looking for a bit of help for myself and my patients in the time being.... I am giving them free meds (they give me whatever they want I never ask or expect anything!) sure I am losing money now but to me it is worth it as the only reason I took on these two is that they are long close friends whove been screwed over by past caregivers.... They know my situation but said if they do not appoint
me they arent going to appoint anyone but themselves this time (and they wont actually grow) due to privacy and trust. So I agreed as I do not want to see them without the quality they deserve and they do not have the time or network to find it (nor do they want to be in the open due to their jobs)

Thanks!
 
YGrow

YGrow

Active Member
Seems like it's always this way in new medical states. There's a large influx of people who see it as an easy buck and aren't there for the patients and/or don't have any idea how to grow properly. It will level out eventually and if you keep you eyes open, you'll come across reputable dispensaries soon, no doubt. Vote with your dollars and lame dispensaries will fall by the wayside like most small businesses.
 
deprave

deprave

New Member
I know what you mean, everyone is trying to rush putting that 400$ or 320$ price tag on an ounce when it definitly not that high of quality, premature buds etc......pretty frustrating when all meds that are even remotely near quality are priced by people who don't know what they are doing, its not just the dollar signs flashing in their eyes but its the fact that they dont know what they are doing or really what it is actually worth.

We got a lot of descent homegrown in the state right now but it goes for that 320$-400$ pricetage when its true value is about 200$ , The only meds I can find that arent over priced right now is from old time growers which now seem to actually be in the miniority lol...I can not wait for outdoor harvest season that should curb it a bit.
 
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MiMedicalMJ

Member
Outdoor???

Not in Michigan, that is still clearly a no no via the books and the couple cases that have tested it.

If anyone runs across some nice quality soil organice please PM me. I am willing to provide fair compensation.
 
deprave

deprave

New Member
MiMedicalMJ said:
Outdoor???

Not in Michigan, that is still clearly a no no via the books and the couple cases that have tested it.

If anyone runs across some nice quality soil organice please PM me. I am willing to provide fair compensation.
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OFCOURSE it is against the law outdoor, MY point is that when outdoor harvest comes that the market will be flooded and people will have more competition. OCT-NOV in michigan we are flooded with mj its always been that way. It is not just because of outdoor but some long time indoor growers also only harvest at that time
 
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MiMedicalMJ

Member
Cool
I am keeping my fingers crossed!

Overall my limited experience with outdoor MI has been just OK.

Outdoor from the Pacific NW WOWOWOWOWOOWOOWOWWWWWWW

Thanks!

Again anyone PM me anytime you wanna chat about yummy soil or can help.
 
deprave

deprave

New Member
Are you looking for a new caretaker to grow your buds or just to score some bags and where in MI are you located

Check my growlog if you want I am just learning but I am doing soil and organic
 
thrashd0g

thrashd0g

Member
I got kind of lost as to what your main issue is. But I shop at The Happy Harvester Hydroponics in Waterford (248-599-9761). If that's not close to you, then just search yellowpages.com for local hydroponics stores. A bunch have sprouted up recently and all typically sell a variety of soils, most of which I think are organic... I typically use foxfarms (organic) all around, btw. I have good results and so do other people I know. Not sure what other kind of weed other than hydro is grown in MI.

As with the curing problem, I recommend just start growing yourself. I think its fun and its totally up to you how your product turns out, and you don't worry about costs. These hydroponic stores now have really cool commercial equipment you can purchase to grow. You can prolly start growing in a 5ft by 5ft space if need be with new equipment coming out. Check Stealth Hydroponics to get started or just use as templates of something you can make yourself.

Here's my own input: Weed over $300 an oz. is fucking ridiculous. I have always charged a flat rate of $250 an oz., and I grow nothing but feminized top shelf. Even with this rate, I feel like I profit a little too much, but no one has complained about price and it helps me pay my way through grad school. There's no reason why prices should ever be that high, especially when people are going from private to commercial and operation costs decrease as you grow in bulk. I plan to open a chain of dispensaries with my already close business partners to give the market some healthy competition in this state. This sector of the economy DOES need to start raking in some kind of commercial cash flow in order to lobby for better and more liberal legislation in Michigan. But I feel that these dispensaries and underground networks of care-givers that overprice outsiders are only hindering the end goal of decriminalization (which is on California's Nov. ballet). Growers out west have had the right idea for awhile and we should be working together to follow in their foot steps for a more fair and open market.
 
stowandgrow

stowandgrow

Active Member
MiMedicalMJ said:
First off

1) I am NOT trying to bag on anyone whose growing, you all are stepping up to the plate and that is GREAT! I respect everyone whose doing this for the right reasons! (sorry those of you who are rushing and just care about the cash in your pocket and nothing else will not last)

2) I am NOT expecting anyone to give anything away... I know the time and effort as well as expense in properly growing quality soil based organic meds and am willing to fairly compensate people for their time and effort.

OK
I belong and go to a couple of the CC's
I have been to a couple of the dispensaries
I have gone to a couple of the private events.

Medicine is out there that is not the issue.

Quality medicine is.

I do not know if the long timers are still staying in their network underground or
the clubs and dispensaries keep that under the table for themselves and close friends.
but seems everything I am finding is:

1) Hydro which I have always found to be a bit harsher on the throat (even when flushed properly)
2) Most of what I have found is not flushed as people get excited and all of the sudden get $ signs in their eyes and rush
3) Most is harvested too soon, many are not checking their trichomes
4) Trimming..... WOW I know its a pain from when I did grow in college but its soooo important to do
5) Curing, this goes back to the rushing due the the dollar signs or patients pushing to get medicine as they are in need.

Its funny, in the past year I will admit the access to medicine has become much easier but the access to the quality I always used to get has vanished for me.

I am wondering have others noticed this at all?
Lets hear what you have noticed?

If there is anyone who can help me with this issue please let me know.... PM me

Please do not get me wrong, I am not slamming the current growers... I applaud them all for starting the learning curve and I know the genuine people will learn to be patient and not rush for the dollar... Those are the ones who survive not people only out for the all mighty dollar.
I applaud the current growers for getting out there and doing it, taking the risk I am not willing to do with the current way the LE is handling things since they are so new. I am unable to put my business, house and family on the line.... It is not fair to my family. I hope things change soon so I do not have to be paranoid.

As for a CG, I am my own as well as for two friends who are patients and deserve the best (MS and Cancer) but that is going to take a few mths as all of you know so I am looking for a bit of help for myself and my patients in the time being.... I am giving them free meds (they give me whatever they want I never ask or expect anything!) sure I am losing money now but to me it is worth it as the only reason I took on these two is that they are long close friends whove been screwed over by past caregivers.... They know my situation but said if they do not appoint
me they arent going to appoint anyone but themselves this time (and they wont actually grow) due to privacy and trust. So I agreed as I do not want to see them without the quality they deserve and they do not have the time or network to find it (nor do they want to be in the open due to their jobs)

Thanks!
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Part of the problem is the way the law reads. As a caregiver, you are faced with a bit of a dilemma. You can either take the time to properly trim, dry, and cure the meds (4+ weeks) and dispose of the rest of the weed that you harvest in the interim in order to stay within the 2.5 ounce threshold per patient, or you can whack the plant, give it a quick dry, and get it out of the garden area quickly in order to clear the way for the next harvest coming around the corner.

Do ya see where the problem is with this??
 
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MiMedicalMJ

Member
Or you take the rest and make green dragon, a glycerine or alcohol tincture, butter or something along those lines which you can make quickly and distribute.

You need to have a perpetual harvest.

Also after 2 weeks of dry and cure you can safely distribute it to your patients and just give them a bit extra weight and tell them to burp the jars for a week or two.

In reality the majority of patient would enjoy the medicine after 10 days if you dried and trimmed then let them cure to their own taste... As I said, teach them how to cure and give
them extra to make up for the tiny bit of extra weight that may be lost which wont be much at all after a proper 10 day dry.
 
stowandgrow

stowandgrow

Active Member
Good points, MiMed. However, any caregiver growing decent sized plants in a perpetual harvest will be harvesting every 2-3 weeks, and should yield 4+ oz per plant. That's a pound every month PER patient, minus the 2.5 oz that is given to the patient.

What's left is 12-14 oz of nice product. That's alot of butter!!!
 
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MiMedicalMJ

Member
16 oz of a glycerine tincture can use 2-4 oz easily for really good stuff.
Use that butter and bake with it and freeze the medibles.

I know its not great but come on guys nothing is perfect and it sure could be a lot worse!!

There are salves you can make to REALLY help people with certain skin conditions.
 
rzza

rzza

Well-Known Member
mimed, can you link me to the cases that were tried in court for outdoor grows? the way i read the law, it shoud be in a locked facility and an outdoor greenhouse thats locked and only myself has access to it, that shouldnt be a problem. id like to read about the cases you speak of.
 
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MiMedicalMJ

Member
Rzza call an atty, I am not one but I have spoke to the two MMJ attys and both agree on this one
and they cited cases... I do not know which as it didn't matter enough to me as I am not going outdoors.

Fencing it in wont cut it as the fence can be climbed over.
 
rzza

rzza

Well-Known Member
MiMedicalMJ said:
Rzza call an atty, I am not one but I have spoke to the two MMJ attys and both agree on this one
and they cited cases... I do not know which as it didn't matter enough to me as I am not going outdoors.

Fencing it in wont cut it as the fence can be climbed over.
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but did you guys discuss aq greenhouse? enclosed and locked and fenced in? i believe that suffice the written regulations. im sure of it. im curious if the cases in question were enclosed and locked.
 
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MiMedicalMJ

Member
Yes it has been brought up and one has been raided and is in the process of starting
in the courts so till that case goes through I sure wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.
 
2farUp

2farUp

Member
MiMedicalMJ said:
Yes it has been brought up and one has been raided and is in the process of starting
in the courts so till that case goes through I sure wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.
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can you be more clear, was this a traditional green house, aka all glass, or was this a pull barn type of facility?

My question would be could I use my non attached garage or if I live on land could I erect a separate building to grow in for myself and 5 patients, fully enclosed, no visible to the contents inside?
 
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MiMedicalMJ

Member
No I cant be more clear as I am not an attorney and I was not in the courts.
It was an enclosed outdoor grow is all I know.
A shed, barn etc is not the same BUT also realize an Atty will tell you LE do not have
the same respect privacy wise for detached buildings so make sure you have it WELL secured
and if no one can see in, you do not tell anyone, it is not clearly evident from odor outside you
should not have to worry.
 
2farUp

2farUp

Member
hey MiMed do you mind telling me the Atty's you talked to, I have a few questions about what I can and can't do here in Michigan.
 
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