Trying To Clone

dew-b

Well-Known Member
wel this is my first attemp at cloning. iam using soil and a root hormone. don't rember the nameiput the soil inhttp://saveourpeatbogs.com/Pages/conservation/conservation.htm.
there plantable so if they out gror ther first pot all i haveto do to transplant them is to put them in abigger pot.its only been2 days so no groth yet. will kep informed. the nice thing is no transplant shock when the get big enough
 

dew-b

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day4 clone still alive(a good sign). no new groth yet. i gave it a gental tug. it seems like it has some resent. must be growing rootswill be happy if it makes it a week w/o dieing. i have learned how to clone. have learned so much from this site. glad i found it
 

dave on the decks

Active Member
not really a good way to clone matey, you shout buy rooting blocks, and keep em damp every day in a propagator ,trust me ive tried this, its not a good way, and cloning gel , not unless you,ve used some, cut in 40 degree angle,
 

dew-b

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just found roots growing out the bottom of the plantable pots i have my clone in. the frirst try at cloning died. the second . has roots:mrgreen: i changed how i did the second by placing a half of a gratoraide bottle over it.
now to sex that cloneafter i get a better root base.
 

mogie

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Items you?ll need:

1. A very sharp blade.
2. A container that can be covered in a clear membrane (plastic wrap or something like that).
3. A clear membrane or lid.
4. A planting medium. (perlite mixed with vermiculite, or just vermiculite, or sand, or in my case FoxFarm Light Warrior mix) As long as it holds water and doesn't dry out too quickly you're all set.
5. Distilled water, or let the water sit out for at least 24 hours, before using.




The angle of the cut is important. Check the image to read about why it's important. Also, water and feed a few hours prior to taking the cut, this will ensure there is plenty of resident water and nutrients for the week or so without roots, also prevents air from entering into the stem.



Your new clone has no root system, therefore it has begun a balancing act between having enough leaf surface to continue photosynthesis (how a plant produces it's food) and having too many leaves to support while having a reduced ability to take up water.
I can't perfectly explain how I decide when a clone has too much leaf, that's an instinct that you'll learn as you become more familiar with cloning. But from what I have noticed, when a clone becomes droopy, it?s either from too much light, or the leaves are too big, therefore I will trim some of the leaves. A clone doesn?t need a lot of light, if using fluorescence, a 20w will be fine. How far, anywhere from 6 inches, to a foot will be fine. If using a compact fluorescent, and a higher wattage bulb, than anywhere from 1foot to 2 feet will be fine. If using H.I.D. lights, then around 3 or 4 feet from the bulb will be fine, also depending on the wattage, the higher, the farther.
Here is a picture of what I do (sometimes) when there's too much leaf and I don't want to get rid of an entire leaf. I just take a couple of leaflets from a large leaf, instead of sacrificing the entire leaf.



This is what the leaf looks like after loosing a little weight. Notice the gap in the leaflets where there use to be more leaflets. This extra leaf surface was not necessary, and could have demanded more water than the 45-degree cut at the bottom could provide.



So, now we have our clone ready to plant. If you'd like, you can use a cloning hormone. I like to use Rootech. A cloning hormone sort of gives your clone a beneficial cancer. It causes the plant's cells to rapidly divide and become callused. The roots will appear out of these calluses. Make sure to cover at least 1 inch of the bottom of the stem, and roll it around in the cloning gel. If you cut below the node, and cut the set of lower leaves, make sure to cover the freshly cut side-shoots with the cloning gel as well, and put the stem far enough into the soil, so at least 1 side-shoot node is covered in the soil. If cutting above the node, make sure to get at least 1 inch covered as previously told. To determine how deep to put the clone into the soil, there comes a lot of factoring in. How big is the clone, and where the clone was cut. But anywhere from ¾ of an inch to 1½ inches (Dipping right into the rooting hormone jar should not be done. It should be dispensed into a separate container and used from there. Excess hormone should be discarded to avoid contaminating your jar stock with any virus or other diseases. Also make sure to sterilize the razor blade and or scissors with peroxide or alcohol).



Now make a hole to place your clone into. You can use a nail, pencil, anything that will make a hole.



Just make sure your medium is nice and moist before you plug your clones into it. We don't want the ends to dry up and close before you do your final watering.

Now just tamp the medium around your new clone. Don't press too hard, but make sure that the medium is tight enough around the clone's base to hold it up straight when it is watered.

Some tips while waiting for the clones to root:

Use a spray bottle to soak the medium and the clones when the medium starts to dry out. Be careful! Don't let the medium dry out while the clones are without roots. There's no faster way to ruin a cloning project than to let the medium dry out. Clones love extremely high humidity, and temps from 75-82 degrees (water vapor on your clear cover is a good indication that things are humid enough). The temps can vary slightly from ideal and you can still be successful, but try to keep everything ideal.



Try to keep the leaves from laying on or in the medium, this may cause your leaves to rot, causing a plethora of unwanted results. If taking a clone from a mother plant, make sure to take the clone at the second node on the side-shoot, so new growth will begin on the mother plant, if cut below the first node, no new growth will begin.




Some people have a hard time knowing when root development starts, while cloning in a soil medium. Here?s a picture of a clone, in which root development has just started. You can tell by the leaves, which turn upright.




Here?s a picture of a clone with good root development, and is about a week from the start of root development, also notice the new sets of leaves on this clone, this is a good marker for knowing the roots are developing, and growing within the soil. At this stage, they should no longer need to be covered, gradually taking them out of the humidity dome or plastic wrap. Start at 1 or 2 hours a day, after a few days, they should be ready to go.

 

kieahtoka

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Vermiculite is illegal now, I think, because of its connection to mesothelioma
In what country?, because it's still on shelves here. NGT what is wrong with borrowed information? If it's wrong I see a reason to redo it but not just if it is borrowed. That is the point, sharing info with each other, right?
 

nongreenthumb

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In what country?, because it's still on shelves here. NGT what is wrong with borrowed information? If it's wrong I see a reason to redo it but not just if it is borrowed. That is the point, sharing info with each other, right?
Because it hurts rollitup in the searches, if someone puts a search in for that information and see the same stuff on rolitup, it could even be the author.

If the work has been re-used without owner consent then this is plagiarism and google could drop rollitup from its searches which would hurt the site a great deal.
 

kieahtoka

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Because it hurts rollitup in the searches, if someone puts a search in for that information and see the same stuff on rolitup, it could even be the author.

If the work has been re-used without owner consent then this is plagiarism and google could drop rollitup from its searches which would hurt the site a great deal.
I see your point, So if most of it is borrowed info then.. what is going to be left of the growfaq? Just what we here have found out for ourselves? not trying to sound like I'm contesting it, just it seems like this would diminish the growfaq quite a bit.
 

nongreenthumb

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I see your point, So if most of it is borrowed info then.. what is going to be left of the growfaq? Just what we here have found out for ourselves? not trying to sound like I'm contesting it, just it seems like this would diminish the growfaq quite a bit.
Well when you consider that the grow faq consists of 80% borrowed material, you can see that theres a big problem, with this much material theres a better chance of us landing in the shit, which is why the faq is being redone.

A lot of the information will come directly from peoples grow journals and experiences. What ever is left over will have to be created in the form of a new article.

Its going to be a long process but when its done we will be the best site with the best how to grow guide.
 

crazy-mental

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sorry 4 butting in havent read all the posts,you can use willow trees mush a few little branches in a little water,make. it into mush ,strain, leave it a day and then dip in your clones.all organic.then chuck away,because it doesnt keep.or freeze it?
 

beenthere donethat

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I haven't said anything about this until now... it isn't that big of a deal..but it is kinda disturbing to see FAQ material posted here that was authored by folks I've known over the years on other forums...some of whom are now dead..some busted...some not growing currently/not currently on the Net...etc. That is an issue in itself...but not what I want to point out...

IMO, the reason there's so much of this cut/paste info in the FAQ here is twofold.

1. Slightly overzeaous folks wanting to help...but sometimes not informed enough (beyond what they can Google) to know if what they are posting is current, correct, and concise. A lot of the info in the FAQ is simply wrong.

2. And this is the BIGGIE..is that due to the anal rententiveness of this site...a site that GOBBLES UP and watermarks EVERY photo posted here as it's own AND makes threads and galleries UNEDITABLE TO THE CONTRIBUTOR OF THE PEICE...most folks are simply unwilling to take the time to amass a photo pictorial and upload it to the site.

I know I am. I have thought about doing a cloning step-by-step/blow-by-blow and very informative offering detailing the way I've done it for years... (not the right way or only way..just my way)

but again..with the (non-user-friendly) way this site is set up it's no wonder it's all cut n' paste stuff that wasn't generated by THIS membership FOR this membership.

bt dt
 
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