tystikk
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You're very welcome, brother! Many happy returns, and don't forget to pay it forward yourself...
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JointOperation
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tystikk nice setup. keep up the great work..
killemsoftly
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Hey tystikk, it"s good to know you're allright. I was eagerly reading a lot of your stuff at the farm when you "vanished". I thought you mighta got pinched or had to do a midnight move. It's good to know it was just bs and you"re okay. I was really interested in ideas you were fleshing out over there: especially the one about moving a light with a higher rpm motor than your standard light rail. i thought that was pretty shrewd stuff. the idea that you could have a bulb really close to a plant and keep it moving fast sounded full of potential. I know that it is only possible to do so much in a day. I'm wondering if you still have that one eating away in the back of your mind just itching to be followed to it"s logical conclusion, ie. 'dial it in' or 'sounded promising but cannot be realised due to x,y or z'.
Anyway dude, good to know your still banging away at THE plant. I have to postpone making the move to trees til i get a strain totally dialed in: moms, veg time, clone time, etc, etc. One thing i was really interested in was your cooling method. I've thought how strange it is that we are pretty much all cooling with a/c not chillers. I came across chillers over 20 years ago and have plans to do a homemade one: 50 gallon drum, 600+gph pump, car radiator, fittings, fans,etd. I figure if i can get 5-10K of btu cooling efficiency out of it I'm set. I was planning on using a freezer to create 1 gallon bricks of ice for the res (during the day) then pop em in for lights on.
I'll pick your brain later. LOL
Sorry didn't mean to hijack. I'm just really excited to be here at RIU and to have come across your posts here in the vert section. It is the future. Now. And it's going to keep on getting brighter. <pause to put my shades on>
Keep on killing em......softly.
peace to all you ladykillers.
Anyway dude, good to know your still banging away at THE plant. I have to postpone making the move to trees til i get a strain totally dialed in: moms, veg time, clone time, etc, etc. One thing i was really interested in was your cooling method. I've thought how strange it is that we are pretty much all cooling with a/c not chillers. I came across chillers over 20 years ago and have plans to do a homemade one: 50 gallon drum, 600+gph pump, car radiator, fittings, fans,etd. I figure if i can get 5-10K of btu cooling efficiency out of it I'm set. I was planning on using a freezer to create 1 gallon bricks of ice for the res (during the day) then pop em in for lights on.
I'll pick your brain later. LOL
Sorry didn't mean to hijack. I'm just really excited to be here at RIU and to have come across your posts here in the vert section. It is the future. Now. And it's going to keep on getting brighter. <pause to put my shades on>
Keep on killing em......softly.
peace to all you ladykillers.
tystikk
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Thank you, Sir! This is truly a joint operation we've got going on; first we smoke two joints...
tystikk
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Politics ruins more perfectly good relationships...Hey tystikk, it"s good to know you're allright. I was eagerly reading a lot of your stuff at the farm when you "vanished". I thought you mighta got pinched or had to do a midnight move. It's good to know it was just bs and you"re okay. I was really interested in ideas you were fleshing out over there: especially the one about moving a light with a higher rpm motor than your standard light rail. i thought that was pretty shrewd stuff. the idea that you could have a bulb really close to a plant and keep it moving fast sounded full of potential. I know that it is only possible to do so much in a day. I'm wondering if you still have that one eating away in the back of your mind just itching to be followed to it"s logical conclusion, ie. 'dial it in' or 'sounded promising but cannot be realised due to x,y or z'.
Anyway dude, good to know your still banging away at THE plant. I have to postpone making the move to trees til i get a strain totally dialed in: moms, veg time, clone time, etc, etc. One thing i was really interested in was your cooling method. I've thought how strange it is that we are pretty much all cooling with a/c not chillers. I came across chillers over 20 years ago and have plans to do a homemade one: 50 gallon drum, 600+gph pump, car radiator, fittings, fans,etd. I figure if i can get 5-10K of btu cooling efficiency out of it I'm set. I was planning on using a freezer to create 1 gallon bricks of ice for the res (during the day) then pop em in for lights on.
I'll pick your brain later. LOL
Sorry didn't mean to hijack. I'm just really excited to be here at RIU and to have come across your posts here in the vert section. It is the future. Now. And it's going to keep on getting brighter. <pause to put my shades on>
Keep on killing em......softly.
peace to all you ladykillers.
I remember that idea and I still think it has merits. I found it hard to get the parts I needed built, so instead I arranged am alternate solution, one that simultaneously solves other problems as well. That would be the dual bulb Super Silo, which helps with light distribution issues by having two bulbs and making the silo larger in diameter.
I've uncovered quite a few challenges to growing this way, but all have been surmountable, some even trivialized. Things are improving nicely and are settling into a good rhythm, from which stability comes. I'll get back to the light mover ideas eventually, I just have no shortage of other fish to fry right now!
I think getting a water chilling system started would be great- it might not perform up to expectations the first time you turn it on, but you'll have fun and learn a lot tinkering with it. Goodness knows that's how it went with me!
tystikk
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Yes, that was me on The Head Case farm. I was looking into aquaponics and I still am planning a foray into it, perhaps as soon as this summer.
I think it could be an excellent way to grow cannabis as well as many other fruits, vegetables and herbs. Those who have completed tubs with it all mention the increased aromas and flavors, in terms of increased strength, complexity and subtlety.
Sounds good to me! I'm thinking of starting off with a veg stage and see what happens.
sdf
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Yea I was reading the pages and it started to get complex and confusing. I plan on building a system for a mint plant or something and then seeing how it works. I figure if it works for that I may try it with a clone and see what its like. I'm wondering though about the food and if the fish get sick would it hurt the plants. I think it will be the next thing in organics because it is literally grown from 100% organic shit Haha. I already have a fish tank so I may try to rig something up tomorrow for shits and giggles
tystikk
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I just read into it a little way, but what this guy did five years ago, crafting a system so robust and self correcting that he could leave it unattended for a month at a time is very impressive.
I'm interested in his methods for adding tiny amounts of P and K directly to the rootball.
tystikk
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I am. I have a degree in business administration and several entrepreneurial start-ups I'm still paying for... which makes me an 'expert'. If Ralph Nader was, I can be too!
Rolled down to Colorado Springs the other day, picked up some dry nutes for an average of a dollar fitty... a pound. Cheaper than boneless chicken!
I bought enough to turn an Olympic swimming pool into my own personal nutrient reservoir. Hmmmm, mixing equipment built in.... hmmmm.... TREES, ANYONE?! LMFAO!!
The cost was the real eye opener. Yeah, I spent a few hundred bux but if you're a serious grower, that's one visit to the hydro store. Guys, I'm set for YEARS, even if I'm growing ten times more than I am now!
It's easy to kick the water bottle habit, I promise. Just think about how much sexy new growing equipment you could be buying with all the money you AREN'T spending on nutes? Yes, your ass will be sore for awhile; both from carrying fifty pound bags of nutrient salts (none of which cost over $80) and from you kicking yourself for not doing it waaaay sooner!
And the satisfaction of knowing, finally, for once and for all, EXACTLY what the Fuck is in my nutrient reservoir, no marketing hype, secret formulas, weird PGRs or contaminants they're not required to disclose??
PRICELESS.
killemsoftly
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Hey tystik,
Keep it up buddy! I had technical issues on my end (can"t wait to get a new computer and some other equipment with my tax return)., so I haven"t been online for a bit. I have an idea percolating in the back of my noggin re: the dark side of the tree. I think I'm gonna flesh this out over the summer and make it real. When i do, i will let all my fellow PerVerts in on it
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I had a quick question for you about a nutrient calculatro. I remember you and Capulator and a bunch of other guys were working with Jacks/jr peters and then transitioned into raw salts. I've moved to raw salts, 6 pack, and am currently implementing. thing is i only have data (gm/litre) for two ratios: 3:1:3 and 3:3:6. Would you happen to have a link to help me out (a reliable one)? i want to try 3:3:3 and 3:2:2 in veg. In other words, i'm seeing stuff with my plants and want to tweeak my ratios to this plant prior to doing a vert SOG in 3 weeks. Hope i"m not hijacking, it's just i know you have experience with raw salts and hoped you wouldn"t mind digging around for me. I'd really appreciate it.
Also, have you ever tried checkerboarding? I"d have to dig up the link but Heath Robinson did a 4x8 SOG table with alternating 600's. In essence, he ran a table, alternated the lights and still got fantastic yields (32oz) with half the electricity using a flipper relay. I was pretty impressed by the gms/watt ratio he got.
Respect
Keep it up buddy! I had technical issues on my end (can"t wait to get a new computer and some other equipment with my tax return)., so I haven"t been online for a bit. I have an idea percolating in the back of my noggin re: the dark side of the tree. I think I'm gonna flesh this out over the summer and make it real. When i do, i will let all my fellow PerVerts in on it
!I had a quick question for you about a nutrient calculatro. I remember you and Capulator and a bunch of other guys were working with Jacks/jr peters and then transitioned into raw salts. I've moved to raw salts, 6 pack, and am currently implementing. thing is i only have data (gm/litre) for two ratios: 3:1:3 and 3:3:6. Would you happen to have a link to help me out (a reliable one)? i want to try 3:3:3 and 3:2:2 in veg. In other words, i'm seeing stuff with my plants and want to tweeak my ratios to this plant prior to doing a vert SOG in 3 weeks. Hope i"m not hijacking, it's just i know you have experience with raw salts and hoped you wouldn"t mind digging around for me. I'd really appreciate it.
Also, have you ever tried checkerboarding? I"d have to dig up the link but Heath Robinson did a 4x8 SOG table with alternating 600's. In essence, he ran a table, alternated the lights and still got fantastic yields (32oz) with half the electricity using a flipper relay. I was pretty impressed by the gms/watt ratio he got.
Respect
tystikk
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You're not jackin' my thread, homie. Anyone I can convert to the gospel of dry nutes is well worth the time invested.
I may not be the man to talk to about your specific situation, however. What I did NOT want to do at the time was get in over my head with a million and one nutrient ratios. Since there was little advantage in going to the six pack over using Jacks or similar, I never did...
So the above purchase describes everything I use;
5-11-26 hydroponic mix with micros
Calcium nitrate
MKP, or monopotassium phosphate
Magnesium sulfate, aka epsom salt
That's four of the six, I'm not using MAP (monoammonium phosphate) and IDR what the sixth might be. I can share my recipes with you; they're not secrets, either.
I may not be the man to talk to about your specific situation, however. What I did NOT want to do at the time was get in over my head with a million and one nutrient ratios. Since there was little advantage in going to the six pack over using Jacks or similar, I never did...
So the above purchase describes everything I use;
5-11-26 hydroponic mix with micros
Calcium nitrate
MKP, or monopotassium phosphate
Magnesium sulfate, aka epsom salt
That's four of the six, I'm not using MAP (monoammonium phosphate) and IDR what the sixth might be. I can share my recipes with you; they're not secrets, either.
killemsoftly
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Thanks for getting back to me Ty. Yeah the 6 pack is: 1 cal-nit,3 k-nit, 6 trace (micros), 2 k-sulpahte, 4 mkp, and 5 mag-sulphate. I list em like that cause i mix em like that. Saves me from my own stupidity. It's the same stuff as what you get in a huge bag. My hydro store sells it. Eventually, like the cheap bastard i am, i will buy the big bags.
I also take 4' slabs and cut em into rooting cubes and flock. Did i mention I'm a cheap bastard? Truthfully, your bang on about mazimizing usage of any input. There's only so much of anything, including $, so why shouldn't i scrimp/ Then when some dude with health problems is hurting, i can GIVE him/her a free 8th. If i cant give away stuff for free after everything ive been given then there's something wrong with me!
Anything u have re: ratios would be really nice ty. I'm pretty impressed. I went back and read through this forum. You are solving the problem: how can i get the canopy? To end up with 4 sectors on fencing facign a verticl 1kw light is the sh$t! That is were vert can be optimized completely. Along with raising the light on a mover. That's why i mentioned checkerboarding. The idea is perfect to mate to verting with a trellis! a grower could do 6 feet of height (deducted the height of a rdwc container of 2') I believe the goal is to pull 4# from a thouie and i think it can be done with tweaks and the right strain.
For me, i have limits. We all do. I have 9x11x8 of space. the latter is ceiling. i have a 100 amp panel but only 60 of service. i rent and electric is free and not metered (except for the building of 100+ units) i aim to not only thrive but optimize.
I may have to sacrifice the grand vision in the short run. i will probably do a vert sog with 6 sectors from floor to ceiling. I am going to use stock steel pipe and weld 'holders' for i gallon pots. then i will slide the pots in at a 5 degree angle to the floor. I'll flower at 6''. I will need 96 to do this, ie 16 per pot holder. This is in pro-mix. I have to get a veg tent going to go to trees with trellises for the long run. We'll see.
cheers
I also take 4' slabs and cut em into rooting cubes and flock. Did i mention I'm a cheap bastard? Truthfully, your bang on about mazimizing usage of any input. There's only so much of anything, including $, so why shouldn't i scrimp/ Then when some dude with health problems is hurting, i can GIVE him/her a free 8th. If i cant give away stuff for free after everything ive been given then there's something wrong with me!
Anything u have re: ratios would be really nice ty. I'm pretty impressed. I went back and read through this forum. You are solving the problem: how can i get the canopy? To end up with 4 sectors on fencing facign a verticl 1kw light is the sh$t! That is were vert can be optimized completely. Along with raising the light on a mover. That's why i mentioned checkerboarding. The idea is perfect to mate to verting with a trellis! a grower could do 6 feet of height (deducted the height of a rdwc container of 2') I believe the goal is to pull 4# from a thouie and i think it can be done with tweaks and the right strain.
For me, i have limits. We all do. I have 9x11x8 of space. the latter is ceiling. i have a 100 amp panel but only 60 of service. i rent and electric is free and not metered (except for the building of 100+ units) i aim to not only thrive but optimize.
I may have to sacrifice the grand vision in the short run. i will probably do a vert sog with 6 sectors from floor to ceiling. I am going to use stock steel pipe and weld 'holders' for i gallon pots. then i will slide the pots in at a 5 degree angle to the floor. I'll flower at 6''. I will need 96 to do this, ie 16 per pot holder. This is in pro-mix. I have to get a veg tent going to go to trees with trellises for the long run. We'll see.
cheers
tystikk
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I like the trees approach for the consistency but not everyone has space or patience for it.
Your bedroom could be a monster with some of the trellis designs I've been cooking up lately; for instance, I'll bet I could use my modular system to create as much as 300 ft² of trellis, using 5400 to 9600W of Gavita Proline lighting. Vertical movers would be de rigour to get the most out of it. Assuming heat and dehuey issues can be kept under control (way tougher than you think), it has the potential to pull 30# a run. For this scenario, I'd use just a dozen plants...
But that's a pipe dream. Another option would be to run one Super Silo in there and have all the room you want!
Your bedroom could be a monster with some of the trellis designs I've been cooking up lately; for instance, I'll bet I could use my modular system to create as much as 300 ft² of trellis, using 5400 to 9600W of Gavita Proline lighting. Vertical movers would be de rigour to get the most out of it. Assuming heat and dehuey issues can be kept under control (way tougher than you think), it has the potential to pull 30# a run. For this scenario, I'd use just a dozen plants...
But that's a pipe dream. Another option would be to run one Super Silo in there and have all the room you want!