ginjawarrior
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quote me where i said gay men cannot control their urges?
again who the fuck are you to call me that?
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again who the fuck are you to call me that?
abandonconflict
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Repeating your previous fallacy though...
ginjawarrior
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Fogdog
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Its all over your posts. I recall you had the same difficulty reading and understanding what the deceased woman said too. I'll spell it out to you:
Gay men have the same rights as anybody else in the work place this is a basic right in the US. You would exclude them regardless of porn industry protocols to keep the work place safe for everybody. If everybody follows those protocols, the risk of unprotected sex with gay men is virtually zero and virtually the same as everybody else. This requires everybody observing safe sex practices outside of the work place or nobody is safe. You are basically saying that gay men can't be trusted to engage in safe sex practices outside of the work place or put more bluntly can't control their sexual urges. You are a homophobic bigot because you say that gay men can't control their sexual urges.
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ginjawarrior
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cool it will be super easy for you to find an example
no i just didnt agree in a tweet that yourself said could be taken a couple of different ways
but nice snide there
again who the fuck are you to call me that???
at what part does workers rights stop and rape begins?
Fogdog
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Fogdog
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Have I said how boring you become when you are three or four posts into a histrionic meltdown?
ginjawarrior
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WHO the fuck you are to call me a homophobe when i openly say here i sleep with men?
Fogdog
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Who the fuck are you to say that gay and bisexual men don't have the same rights as everybody else in the workplace? That's a homophobic thing to say no matter how queer you are.
Is this where
We circle back to you demanding when you explicitly said that?
Then I explain that your line of reasoning quite explicitly is that?
Then you say you can't be homophobic because you are homo?
And I say that queer people can be just as bigoted as anybody else?
Then you ask the incredibly dumb question, "who the fuck are you"?
Then I taunt you a more few times because I have a mean streak in me?
Then we begin all over?
Is this what you want?
ginjawarrior
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no you missed out the bits where i asked you to quote me instead of strawmannng me
ginjawarrior
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oh and you never did explain to me where
"workplace rights" end and "rape" starts
i have a good idea of that in my mind
Do you?
Fogdog
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Oh yeah, I missed where you project your own thoughts as if I had said them.
Tell me what I'm thinking again. It's hilarious.
ginjawarrior
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in the porn industry where gay porn actors are wanting work and a portion of women actors dont want to sleep with them because f their past work in gay films
at which point does it stop being a work discrimination issue and a rape issue where the women have to sleep with men when they dont want to?
you keep going on about gay rights in the work force and i fully uphold them up until they cros with a womans right to chose who to sleep with
there are women who are happy to sleep with the cross over actors there are women who choose not to
where here is your worker discrimination?
Fogdog
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Again, you project your words as if I had said them. You completely missed what I said earlier. To recap:
Everybody in the porn industry has the right to choose when and where to work. Spreading rumors and posting anti-gay statements on an open twitter account will rightfully draw ire from the people who are smeared. But this is so yesterday.
Today's histrionic meltdown from you is because I'm calling you out for your homophobic statement that gay men can't be trusted to refrain from unsafe sex practices, basically falling back on the old stereotype of the gay man who can't control his sexual urges.
ginjawarrior
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im not projecting my words im saying them out loud so you can hear my postion and ask you about your opinion
To recap:
Everybody in the porn industry has the right to choose when and where to work. Spreading rumors and posting anti-gay statements on an open twitter account will rightfully draw ire from the people who are smeared. But this is so yesterday.[/quote]
what rumours?
and workplace discrimination?
strawman i didnt state that at all
but for the record i will say this and you are perfectly welcome to quote me on this gay men have got a huge problem with hiv in the community
oh and who the fuck are you to call me homophobic?
have you ever been with a man? do you know the gay community? r do you sit in your mums basement dreaming of the day?
Fogdog
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By the way, your statistics fall apart upon analysis. There is a large fraction of the heterosexual general public who have monogamous, vanilla lifestyles that significantly pulls down the overall numbers for the general heterosexual public. You assume that heterosexuals in the porn industry are the same risk factor as the general public. This is a bit unbelievable.
Anybody who breaks safety protocols in the porn industry is putting everybody else at unacceptable risk. Once infection is introduced into the population of porn workers the risk factors go way up, again, regardless of sexual orientation.
As I said before, the issue is trust, not risk. This is why I can quite rightly interpret your argument as gay people are less trustworthy, a homophobic argument if there ever was one.
ginjawarrior
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i have stated a few times that there are monogonous people within the gay comunity too and that the risk would go up in that case too
are you now saying the gay community is that different from the heterosexual ?
i clearly said
a single random sexual enounter with gay or bi is 154 times more likely to encounter someone with hiv than with
a single random sexual hetersexual encounter
yes i know
but like for like
a single random sexual enounter with gay or bi is 154 times more likely to encounter someone with hiv than with
a single random sexual hetersexual encounter
you claim its not about risk
ive said many many times over its not for you or anyone to chose the other persons risk
SneekyNinja
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Fogdog
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So,
Lets talk about this self hate you have for gay or bi men. How long has it been since you recognized that you are a dirty person and 154 times more likely to spread disease?
How long has it been since you became of the opinion that you can't trust anybody yet you still have sex with them?
I think you are dealing with issues other than the ones we are talking about here.
I'm calling bs on all of it. You focus on this perceived risk as if it is real. It is not real. That number that you hyperventilate over goes away when the porn performer follows safe sex practices and test protocols. You basically say nobody can be trusted to follow them. I'd say if that's true then nobody is safe because even a heterosexual performer introduces unacceptable risk if they ignore safety protocols. You are focusing on the gay man when it doesn't really matter. If the porn industry is rife with people who disregard safety then all is lost.
Your self hate should be examined. Maybe you need help. I hope I haven't driven you to suicide.