Uncle Ben's Topping Technique to Get 2 or 4 Main Colas

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    papajohn

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    Slab

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    Thanks Papa, been reading Uncle Bens posts for about ten years on other sites and here.

    I have had no problems with toxicity the nutrients in azomite are very low. I threw a curve ball labeling the potash in azomite as P, sorry about that.
    It has trace minerals and sulfates more than anything and grew a 5.5 ft plant with no problems.

    I am deficient in two of the largest fan leaves on the clone at 5 weeks in flower, using the same forumula that I used on her mother.
     
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    papajohn

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    Well bro I've got good news my plants are burn down,I think my problem was applying the application where there were low moisture levels (drought stress)
     
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    Uncle Ben

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    No more than 1.5 oz/gal. of 41% glyphosate is needed to kill most weeds including tough thistle if you kick it up a notch by adding a tsp of ammonium sulfate and additional NIS surfactant. I use a flat nozzle for rows, cone nozzle for unique areas. If wind is an issue use a Tee Jet air induction nozzle, blue tip for low volume, gray for high volume at 40 psi.
     
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    BobCajun

    BobCajun Well-Known Member

    I don't believe it matters where the branches attach to the main stem. I get 3-6 good solid stems by normal topping. They're not right opposite each other but they're all about the same size. I think it's the height of the tops that determines which ones suppress the growth of others, not their origination point. Why would it matter where it originates? Is there a comparison showing the difference? Obviously I didn't read this whole thread. It does help to keep things even if you have branches directly opposite each other but that only happens with seedlings, not clones. Who grows from seed every time, unless it's autos?
     
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    RusskiyFermer

    RusskiyFermer New Member

    Hi Uncle Ben, others.

    I have a plant that I want to try to this method with. She is about 4 weeks old and the first node (not counting the single leaf) just isn't that big. Nodes 2 and 3 are super thick and healthy.

    I definitely want to clone the cutting so I will wait to 7-8 nodes before topping, but here is my question:

    If I cut above the 3rd node instead of the 2nd, and then remove the 1st node and single leaf branches, leaving just nodes 2 & 3, would the plant perform the same as if I had cut above the 2nd node? Is there any experience with this?

    I am sure someone asked the question on one of these pages, but theres so much to read! I am afraid I wont get through all of this in time. Perhaps you know

    Thanks
     
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    RusskiyFermer

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    Its cool, I found it. Page 20ish. Thanks
     
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    thewanderingjack

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    Curious, I looked around page 20ish... gave up... My guess is yes. It's what makes sense to me. But if not please point me to the why (I did try ;-))
     
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    thewanderingjack

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    This is kind of a great thread... I say kind of because with it being so long now, it's a bit whacky... but the topic is great. I use this method... I didn't really learn it anywhere... I heard of it (or maybe read of it) and it seemed pretty straight forward to me... made a lot of sense too (Apical Dominance/Auxin). I'm kind of surprised that it seems so misunderstood. Very glad to see some good info on it.

    Top on toppers, top on! (or off I guess ;-))
     
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    RusskiyFermer

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    Page 22, #438, user by1969

    By the way, I did top my plant in such a fashion. It is definitely growing two fat, nice colas up top. 4 I'm not so sure about but again, I did cut up higher. Still, the twin colas are going to be pretty awesome.
     
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    thewanderingjack

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    awesome, thanks for the reference there :)

    And yeah, I figured this would be like lollipoping topped plant... which isn't uncommon. But I still wonder... will getting rid of the smaller ones produce enough added size/weight in the remaining colas... over leaving the smalls and making sure they get more light, via LST for example... with all other things being equal (overall light to the plant, pot size, nutes, water).
     
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    TigerSquad

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    I have three small plants. I have topped or fimmed them. The tallest has hit the top of my grow. I waited too long to top her and I pruned her and she never recovered really. But I'm wanted to supergroup my two smaller plants so I don't run into this problem again. So my question is... Because of the topping and fimming process (the hormone to grow talk is stopped and grows bushy). Will the super cropping process work properly as it seems to contradict what these practises do. ( the plant sends hormone to the branches closest to the top to get them to grow up). I'm probley thinking too hard into this but, im worried. Don't want to mess these lady's up too.
     
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    papajohn

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    Uncle Ben

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    papajohn

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    I'm contemplating ordering that 20-3-19 blend which also has triple iron and it's available in 25lb bags as opposed to citrus feed.

    Ub?
     
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    Uncle Ben

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    I have it. Works fine.
     
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    papajohn

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    Wonderful
     
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    St1kybudz

    St1kybudz Well-Known Member

    Got one mother that takes the best clones gth #1 topped her and it was wierd developed six tops but 1 was way under developed I have to believe light orientation has something to do with some new shoots lake of development
     
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    GroDank101

    GroDank101 Well-Known Member

    I have 2 plants here that I just used Uncle Ben's Topping Technique on. I hope I got it right, this is my first attempt. I was able to keep the cuttings as clones for both of the strains which are both indica. I cut them above the 2nd node.
    Super Hash - Pyramid Seeds
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    Bubba Kush - Medicann Seeds
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    esh dov ets

    esh dov ets Well-Known Member

    I try to do the lollipopin b4 I top. If it's tinny at the bottom or does not look like a cola but like a cutting or runner I take from the bottom to allow the top to get bigger, even after topping.
     
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