Unflushed coco flowers

mr4tune

mr4tune

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where to start...

Did I have a point? providing my personal experience was my point I guess. So fucking sorry "dude"

30 minutes to post a few links? Seems excessive but if you find time in your day in between cutting people down then feel free to post some info and share some knowledge. Seriously.

Unlike most users on these forums if I'm way the fuck out to lunch then I would love to see the facts so I can change my grows. This is the information I have and that I apply. It was passed down to me so feel free to make your indirect insults or help a guy out.

So your telling me that I can leave 1000, 1200, or whatever the fuck PPM's I run right in my plants up until chop? Or are you saying to stop feeding to drop the nutrient levels? Because aside form a soil application and physically flushing with "x" amount of pot size with water, in a hydro setup that's pretty much the same thing as a flush so which is which? Fuck it, its a coco post so what do you suggest? I run DTW top fed coco. I just run full PPM's and then chop or what?

"but no matter how much you flush an overfed plant, you're not going to take any of the excess materials out of that plant. not the way it works, never has been, never will be." Perhaps my opinion has been misinterpreted...The whole point of a flush "as far as I have been told" is to remove the nutrients from the soil, or medium as to stop the supply to the plant and allow the plant to cannibalize. Is that not the point? Why are you talking about taking out excess materials? I never suggested the guy was going to run some insane amount of water through the plant in a 24 hour period and rid the plant of nutrients... I only provided my opinion on people going full retard on nutrients and then chopping while the plants had a full reserve of nutrients.

Have a magical day sir.
 
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Lara vanhousen

Lara vanhousen

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mr4tune said:
I cringe when I see people suggest that a flush doesn't matter. I know I've just opened up a big can of flame-on here but so be it...

I partially agree with Antman15, and partially disagree. I however identifying that he has years of experience. More than me so Im not pretending to know it all, but here is "my" opinion.

If you don't have a choice then absolutely cut, cure, medicate. But just because something burns grey doesn't mean that it is clean. That misinformation can be dangerous when interpreted by the wrong, less experienced growers. Again there's a thousand variables so don't hang me right yet.. That's like saying that because you can't see mold spores on something that they aren't there and the product is safe. Product testing for some is about a pissing contest to see whose THC is higher. For some an intolerance to a pesticide, or an excess of a mineral could have a sever health impact.

Absolutely we have all smoked some shit that burns black and has to be re-lit. That also comes from some strains that have not been cured, that quite possibly aren't dry enough, is premature, or perhaps is a genetic disposition. I've talked to a few people who have experienced outdoor strains that even when finished on time, and cured, don't smoke worth a fuck. Most likely due to someone's experiments in breeding.

I had a full plot of outdoor organic kush that didn't quite finish because of the elevation and latitude we are at here. No chems. No additives. Just straight up compost, and a few organic time released ferts. Again nothing is "100% Organic" but as close as we could get. Anywho, the shit was dried and wouldn't burn worth a fuck. Threw 10+ pounds of it into rubbermaids and voila, with each 2-3 days the shit got better. Infact so much so that after 3 weeks that shit had ash like a cig.

I have also smoked shit that was growing in Promix that burned amazing. Looked great, tasted great, yet had zero flush. These clowns were also banging off PPM's above 1500 up to the very end. Don't try to tell me that because it burned good that the weed was safe.

There is a balance as well. Do I believe in a 2 week flush? not really. But again, it depends on the medium, method, and nutrients. if your only out there feeding them once a week then chances are they are consuming a large portion of the nutes in their system so no need for a huge flush compared to someone whose feeding quad digit PPM's EOD.

opinions are like assholes so they say... I'm no different.
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Isn't this in the coco section? You only talked about soil.
 
mr4tune

mr4tune

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Sorry for the direction that went Lara. Yes it is the coco section. I was simply addressing a few separate comments and it went south fast. I only meant to clarify on people saying that a flush isn't required. People feeding up to the day of chop and having residual nutrients left in the plant matter VS people who stop feeding "x" amount of days prior to chop and allow to cannibalize (which I do) VS people who believe they need to flush with massive amounts of water to "flush".

Hope it all worked out for you
 
Jon E. Doe

Jon E. Doe

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^^^^^Roger is Correct ^^^^^

I'd appreciate anyone who is pro-flush to post any article writtem by a researcher which demonstrates that there is ever any trace of nutrients in plant matter.

Bottom line is that nutes are converted. And once in the plant you cannot get anything back out because it it technically isn't "in" the plant so much as "part" of the plant.

Anyone who claims they can taste or smell any trace of nutes is full of it, or doesn't eat any fruits or vegetables unless they are organic, because producers do not flush in the farming world.
 
Jon E. Doe

Jon E. Doe

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mr4tune said:
The whole point of a flush "as far as I have been told" is to remove the nutrients from the soil, or medium as to stop the supply to the plantand allow the plant to cannibalize.
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I'm not sure I follow, mr4tune. Not attempting a wise-ass attitude here, just confounded. Based on the above, you'd prefer the plant utilize it's remaining strength (because we know scientifically sure, that a plant can't technically, theoretically, nor figuratively cannibalize itself) to stay alive under a lamp and fans, knowing scientifically that it is technically just starving?

Science has proven unequivocally that the plants don't store nutes. Sure, when they have a def of a mobile nute they can try and pull it from another part of the plant that it deems is less important. But what is the upside? Let's take nitrate or magnesium for example. The N or Cal in your nute mix has been assimilated by the plant as soon as its absorbed. Much of it that was previously absorbed is borne throughout your flowers and if taken away..... well, your flowers just aren't your flowers anymore. See what I'm saying? Those nutes become your plant. To remove them simply means less plant.

Ultimately (In my opinion, as well as that of a multi-trillion dollar industry) sceientists have proven countless times that there isn't a known process called flushing. I'm a leacher lol. I gonna leach the snot outta my coco the day of chop. Bcuz I'm a tight-ass,

Decades ago this hobby was in the crawling stage. No real science, and many that grew were chilled out and let things do...... whatever. So they needed an excuse. We don't. Today folks track and monitor the crap outta everything. Hell were genetics whores lol. We also have decades of breakthrough data from the best scientists. Give 'em a little credit. Sometime the old ways aren't as good.....

Which is why we don't use my Gramps old Massey, and we use a GPS driven, air conditioned, air ride, wifi enabled, bluetooth jammin' JD (with tinted windows):bigjoint:

Not me of course. Peace all, and good growing.
 
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