Urgent (Save your hydro store)

torontomeds

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I know we all go at it on here but this is urgent, you guys have until tomorrow to get this template to your local hydro store, it needs to be submitted to the Gov by tomorrow, if not you may lose your local hydro store due to the Cannabis act.
Hippy all BS aside, get this to brite lite and indoor farmer asap, if you guys truly want to fight LP's this is your chance to make an impact, anyone else have a hydro store in your area get this to them today, if you can not get to them today you need to get it to them by tomorrow, you can probably email them and call them to let them know it is in there email.

The upcoming legalization of recreational cannabis offers our industry many opportunities. As the federal government races to its July 2018/Summer deadline to have laws in place, it is also presenting risks to our collective business. Currently, the government is proposing a definition of 'cannabis accessories' which will mean that products such as fertilizers, pesticides, and hydroponics equipment will be considered to be an accessory for the growing of cannabis by consumers. Cannabis accessories will have strict rules around how they are labeled, where they can be sold, and how they can be promoted and advertised. There is a real concern that this may prevent such products from being sold in regular hydroponic shops, that they may have to be sold in a manner that restricts access to consumers (such as with cigarettes) or that they will require special licenses in order to sell. All of these requirements can have a negative impact on our industry's ability to do business.



We are therefore asking for your help to bring these concerns to the government. The federal government is currently consulting on its regulatory approach to cannabis. This presents an opportunity for us to have our voices heard. Attached is a letter template that you can use to submit feedback to the consultation. Simply include some information about your business, sign the letter, and email to the address in the letter. All submission must be made by January 20, 2018.


AND HERE"S THE TEMPLATE LETTER

Cannabis Legalization and Regulation Secretariat
Address locator 0602E
Health Canada
Ottawa, Ontario
K1A 0K9

Via email: [email protected]

[Insert company name here] is pleased to provide our input into the consultation on the Proposed Approach to the Regulation of Cannabis. [Insert a brief description of your company. Eg. Where you are located, number of stores, number of employees, contributions to the community or economy].
As a retailer we are proud to offer effective, quality hydroponic product solutions to experienced and first time gardeners. We also strive to provide quality advice to our customers with respect to appropriate products and responsible use. The products we offer for sale are not exclusively used to grow the cannabis plant. We provide growing solutions for a variety hydroponic growing scenarios because all plants have basic needs such as nutrients, proper lighting, growing media, etc. These products have a long history of safe use with respect to a wide variety of crops.
[Insert company name here] supports the government’s legalization of medical cannabis, and its position to legalize the recreational use of cannabis through Bill C-45 (An Act respecting cannabis and to amend the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, the Criminal Code and other Acts). However, the bill’s provisions as currently written would have significant negative effects on our existing business and ability to sell, market, promote, advertise, and educate members of the public on the products we sell. This is due to the definition and the deeming of Cannabis Accessories according to sections 2 (1) and 2 (3) of the bill.
Definition of Cannabis Accessories
A thing, including rolling papers or wraps, holders, pipes, bongs, and vaporizers, that is represented to be used in the consumption of cannabis, or a thing that is represented to be used in the production of cannabis; or
a thing that is deemed under subsection (3) to be represented to be used in the consumption or production of cannabis.
Deeming of Cannabis Accessories
Under Section 2(3), a thing that is commonly used in the consumption or production of cannabis is deemed to be represented to be used in the consumption or production of cannabis if the thing is sold at the same point of sale as cannabis.
The above sections lead to the restriction of the sale, marketing, promotion, and advertising of cannabis accessories in such a way, or in places where individuals under the age of 18 could see or have access to them (all of these restrictions can be found in sections 12-43 of the bill).

As a responsible retailer, we want to sell products that appropriately identify the crops which they can benefit and provide proper use instructions. We are also very much committed to promoting responsible use of the products we sell to consumers through competent advice and education. Based on the current definition, the products we sell such as fertilizers, pesticides, supplements, and hydroponic related equipment would all be considered to be cannabis accessories. Without further clarification that these products are not what the government considers to be accessories, it will lead either to our inability to sell, market, promote, and advertise the products we sell for the production of cannabis or the inability to have them labelled appropriately to reflect their use in the growing of cannabis by consumers, because these products are sold, marketed, promoted and advertised in regular retail stores which could be easily seen and accessible by minors.
In order to ensure hydroponic products (fertilizers, supplements, pesticides, hydroponic systems) are not captured under the definition of "cannabis accessory", we request the removal of "or a thing that is represented to be used in the production of cannabis" and "or production" from the definition.
Based on our experience, we do not feel that products for hydroponic growing, such as the products we supply, are likely to entice minors into growing or using cannabis, particularly if controls are placed on plants and seeds. In addition, it is our understanding that our suppliers must comply with already existing legislation concerning their products. Having another legislation or body to regulate these products could create duplication, added cost and complexity that could have a negative impact on our ability to do business. As a result, we believe that these products should be removed from the bill and left to the respective agencies that have always been responsible for regulating them.
[Company name] see the provision of information and education as being paramount to proper and safe cultivation of cannabis by consumers. The current language in Bill C-45 if not clarified will prevent the necessary information for appropriate product usage during cultivation from being transmitted to consumers. This will increase the likelihood of inappropriate product selection and use which increases the risk to consumers. It is our desire to work with the government to ensure that consumers have access to effective, compliant products, and expert developed information to support their responsible use.
We appreciate the opportunity to raise our concerns and we look forward to a solution that allows us to continue to provide quality products and service to our customers.

Sincerely,
 

The Hippy

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Gonna be hard to make gardening supplies illegal. Not to mention that growing will be allowed supposedly. Plus many many med patients grow their own legally. I don't see it happening.
The products in the grow shops I've been in have no cannabis pics or info or even the name cannabis/weed on them...just the seeds they sell.
Same way bongs and smoking accessories made it to market.
Sorry can't see any of it happening.
Most of the scare mongering isn't going to come to fruition. It's just the other side yelling sour grapes.
 

CannaReview

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They've got absolutely ZERO to worry about.
Oh that's right...you weren't around when Home grown started... lol
I'm actually trying to sell my shares in my shop as I think come legalization its all over for at least 1/2 of the hydro stores in Canada with in 4=6 months. My shop can be ran by one person and they could make an ok living if 1/2 of my customers closed shop but not two people especially with an employee and still have to make enough to cover living costs.

The problem is there will be a huge change in the industry and most shops wont have enough saved up to keep the doors open for say 4+ months with out breaking even. I can for sure see 1/2 of growers disappear over night. First will be legal uncertainty with more harsh laws especially those not under ACMPR, there now is a secondary legal market for weed access and the average Canadian who has never smoked or just casually they won't seek out underground just like they don't seek out illegal booze. The 4 plant thing is BS as you're going to have to go through legal hoops to even grow 4 plants. Who is going to spend 4 months watching 4 plants grow so they can get some weed. That's not enough to keep stores running when they'll need 20-30+ 4 plant growers for each regular grower they lose.
 

gb123

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what are you smoking? :lol:
a small few will quit, while others will start!
if theres money to be made..
 

CannaReview

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what are you smoking? :lol:
a small few will quit, while others will start!
if theres money to be made..
Huge chunk will quit as 90% of most growers won't' be able to grow good enough quality for the black market which will have to compete with the legal market and the weed will have to way better and 1/2 price of legal. If you depend 100% on weed for your income you're gonna be hurting unless you its a secondary income and your primary one can cover you cost of living. There will be some movement for concentrates but again the average Canadian is not going to seek out illegal dealers.

Right off the bat all dispensaries will be done come legalization day, that itself will all of a sudden create a back log of weed in the wholesale part and the price will drop just like is has dropped now to $800 for dubs.
 

torontomeds

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Huge chunk will quit as 90% of most growers won't' be able to grow good enough quality for the black market which will have to compete with the legal market and the weed will have to way better and 1/2 price of legal. If you depend 100% on weed for your income you're gonna be hurting unless you its a secondary income and your primary one can cover you cost of living. There will be some movement for concentrates but again the average Canadian is not going to seek out illegal dealers.

Right off the bat all dispensaries will be done come legalization day, that itself will all of a sudden create a back log of weed in the wholesale part and the price will drop just like is has dropped now to $800 for dubs.
LOL Don't say myself and CannaReview did not warn you.
 

Farmer.J

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I am not understanding your logic that black market will have to have twice the quality and half the price to compete with the legal market. From what most of us have seen, the legal producers are greedy and will charge as much as they can get selling their shwag. As for the dispensaries, why would they close down as soon as legalization takes effect? The ones that have lasted have fought to still be here, why would they give up? After it's legal they will get a fine now and then, what's the worst that can happen if you are illegally selling a legal product to adults?
 
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CannaReview

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LOL Don't say myself and CannaReview did not warn you.
Well I live this shit everyday as my store in my only income, whether you want believe that is up to you. Obviously I have nothing against people making money from weed but its not something I wanted to do anymore. I if I can mange to sell my part I'm going to attempt to get in on the legal racket and have a weed store front. Figure I can cash in for the first year of "novelty factor" sell the shop and start something more interesting.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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Huge chunk will quit as 90% of most growers won't' be able to grow good enough quality for the black market which will have to compete with the legal market and the weed will have to way better and 1/2 price of legal. If you depend 100% on weed for your income you're gonna be hurting unless you its a secondary income and your primary one can cover you cost of living. There will be some movement for concentrates but again the average Canadian is not going to seek out illegal dealers.

Right off the bat all dispensaries will be done come legalization day, that itself will all of a sudden create a back log of weed in the wholesale part and the price will drop just like is has dropped now to $800 for dubs.
I don't know if I agree. While a number of bm growers will pack it in, medical will always be there and they just approved about 30 million 4 plant grows.
 

CannaReview

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I am not understanding your logic that black market will have to have twice the quality and half the price to compete with the legal market. From what most of us have seen, the legal producers are greedy and will charge as much as they can get away with for selling shwag.
Well we all know that it'll be around $10-12 after taxes, you're now dealing with the average Canadian who just wants convenience and easy access, just like watch at a liquir store what sell the most, craft beers or the cheap ones. Also most go to the back market as that's all there is BUT look how many go to dispensaries and pay the $10-15 per gram, 1000's do. There's a dispensary below my buddies condo in Vancouver and I was shocked how many people go in and out of it when I'm parked and waiting to pick him up.

As for the quality, if I'm only buying a gram or two every few days I'm not going to put any effort into seeking out black market weed unless I already know a dealer and it's that much more better and cheaper but for who the legal stores are going to target those people wont seek out the black market when it just around the corner or local beer & wine store.
 

CannaReview

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approved about 30 million 4 plant grows.
With special permits or even if the municipality will approve the zoning. How many people grow their own food year round or even in the summer, not that many, that's why nurseries and box chains close down their garden canters 80% of the year. Nurseries make their money from growing their down crops. Very few will grow their own weed in the long run. For the first year it'll be a curiosity for most but it'll be a spit in the bucket of what a store will make from those sales. Once someone realizes how much pain in the ass it is to grow 4 plants to get an LB of weed and that it'll take them 4+ months the novelty will wear off pretty fast.
 
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gb123

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With special permits or even if the municipality will approve the zoning. How many people grow their own food year round or even in the summer, not that many, that's why nurseries and box chains close down their garden canters 80% of the year. Nurseries make their money from growing their down crops. Very few will grow their own weed in the long run. For the first year it'll be a curiosity for most but it'll be a spit in the bucket of what a store will make from those sales. Once someone realizes how much pain in the ass it is to grow 4 plants to get an LB of weed and that it'll take them 4+ months the novelty will wear off pretty fast.
you talk like everyone just sat down and stopped walking..:lol:
 

gb123

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Well we all know that it'll be around $10-12 after taxes, you're now dealing with the average Canadian who just wants convenience and easy access, just like watch at a liquir store what sell the most, craft beers or the cheap ones. Also most go to the back market as that's all there is BUT look how many go to dispensaries and pay the $10-15 per gram, 1000's do. There's a dispensary below my buddies condo in Vancouver and I was shocked how many people go in and out of it when I'm parked and waiting to pick him up.

As for the quality, if I'm only buying a gram or two every few days I'm not going to put any effort into seeking out black market weed unless I already know a dealer and it's that much more better and cheaper but for who the legal stores are going to target those people wont seek out the black market when it just around the corner or local beer & wine store.
you said you were growing 50 grams a day with yer script.. lol

yer just hopin and wishin!
 

CannaReview

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you said you were growing 50 grams a day with yer script.. lol

yer just hopin and wishin!
My current is 30 grams and I'm getting it upped to 50. Where does 30/50 grams = sales? You picked that out of the gov supplied BS fear mongering book? The amount allows me to grow my own with out the need for monster plants and monster set up and if you must know I've only had my 30 gram license since late Aug/Sept as it took 7 months for HC to process it and they removed one month from the date the doctor singed the papers in Feb so they changed my expiatory to late Jan.
 

gb123

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said you were selling the shares ? in your store.
You just said your job is going away!
I don't smoke weed. (:
50 grams a day and what is it you have "to much to lose by not growing legally" again?
 
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