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Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

Discussion in 'Organics' started by Matt Rize, Sep 7, 2010.

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    Rayne

    Rayne Well-Known Member

    Veganics Defined
    Seriously, the core difference between the two is the fertilizers a farmer chooses to use. If the birds and other animal wild life already living in the fields leave droppings the farmers aren't going to complain, because other beneficial insects break down the animal droppings in the fields.

    Veganics as it applies to an indoor grow operation... No guano, chicken/horse/cow/lamb manure, blood meal, bone meal, feather meal, fish emulsion.

    Earthworm castings are fine because most do not mistreat or slaughter earthworms. Most people just feed the worms and leave them alone to do what they do. Earthworm castings are generally in the soil already and earthworms are part of the soil food web.

    BioCanna is veganic.
     
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    Rrog

    Rrog Well-Known Member

    Veganics is unnatural and sucks. There
     
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    Og Kushman

    Og Kushman Active Member

    Hell yea you have to wash you hands the stuff smells
     
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    Og Kushman

    Og Kushman Active Member

    The whole story sounds suspect to me
     
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    Og Kushman

    Og Kushman Active Member

    I have some white widow that wont make you cough
    IF you want a product that works that is vegan General Hydroponics Biothrive works great.
     
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    subcoolgrower

    subcoolgrower Well-Known Member

    Over 100,00 people use this recipe including many soil companies it works simple we pull 2 pounds a light for the last 15 year but it certainly isn't the only way to grow dank.

    Sub

    PS think I'd break my back if it didn;t work :)
     

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    GroDank101

    GroDank101 Well-Known Member

    greetings, i have put together my own soil mix for the first time using 60% peat moss, 25% worm castings, 15% coco coir base soil, with neem seed, kelp, alfalfa meal, azomite, garden lime, and 6 Down To Earth all natural amendments: vegan mix, acid mix, all-purpose mix, bio-live, bio-fish, and soybean meal but i was wanting to get some suggestions on how i could modify my mix to be improved, if anyone can make any suggestions how i can improve please give me some truth. i've been reading @subcoolgrower all your stuff and even been watching the Round Table on youtube, and i love the community its just that im new to growing. im just a beginner but hey we all gotta start somewhere. Attached is a Dinafem Cheese cbd that is in this soil i mixed to give an idea how it is performing so far: slight nute burn on some tips but not too bad, so am I on the right track?
     

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    DonTesla

    DonTesla Well-Known Member

    Definitely on the right track @GroDank101.. First off, congrats just for being in the right jungle!

    How you geared in terms of aeration?
    What percentage would you consider aeration?

    A volcanic element would be nice but not many are running so clean so quick so pat yourself on the back..

    If you don't mind vacuuming a bit of soil here and there, i'd make your own compost pile outside if you can? and worm bin under a sink, without delay.. Easy peasy my friend.. feed them a hi quality vegetarian diet. With high quality artisan crafted castings you could cut it down to as low as 15% from 25 / 33 and see improvement in all areas.. and not need the acid mix or soybean meal, or any mixes from DTE. . .all while boosting microbial and worm populations, and therefore soil aeration and texture :)

    That said, Leaf mould and or a nice thermophillic woodchip compost would bump yields and fungal populations.. Or rotting wood chunks as they're called would be great if can find an old tree. To round out that beautiful beneficial bacterial web
    (Simple brewed teas with some oat fed soil will suffice til then..)

    Of course as you may know, myco fungi at transplants for yield yet and to witness a symbiotic relationship where the plant trades 5% sugars from photosynthesis for a 45% increase in water and nutrient supply due to extend reach .. Essentially limiting droughts, equating to a nice little yield % bump too, but you're prob on that..

    I could go on about peak performance / high brix / mineral ratios or foliars for different effects or enviro and bio controls.. but this is the foundation to making great soil.. Which can account for a massive amount of gene expression and therefore is the foundation to making great herb as well :)
     
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    DonTesla

    DonTesla Well-Known Member

    It "sucks" @Rrog ? Can you expand or elaborate please? :D
     
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    Roger A. Shrubber

    Roger A. Shrubber Well-Known Member

    i didn't know this thread existed till a few minutes ago.
    i used veganics for 2 years. the only real complaint i have about it is the price. i got good results with it, but it costs me about 300 a year for my small set up, flowering 4 plants at a time.
    i've since switched to Jack's, 20-20-20 during veg and 10-30-20 blossom booster during flower. that, along with a bag of epsom salt and a bag of calcium nitrate, cost me less than 100 a year, i get the same results, and have less stuff to mix.
     
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    DonTesla

    DonTesla Well-Known Member

    $25 a month was too much to produce your own top shelf, seems like a great price! What produce/products did you use. How was the quality, not higher?
     
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    Roger A. Shrubber

    Roger A. Shrubber Well-Known Member

    i bought a bag of southern ag calcium nitrate, some Jacks 20-20-20 classic for veg, Jack's bloom booster for flower, some epsom salts, and a bag of sul-po-mag (pretty much epsom salts with added K) mondays veg plants get calcium nitrate and a little jacks 20-20-20, thursdays they get a little epsom salts and a little jacks's. flower is jack's BB with a little sul-po-mag every other time. i haven't had a big problem with cal def, but if i do i have a foliar product i use on my tomatoes that works just as good on weed.
    i won't say its any better than it was using veganics, but its certainly not any worse, at 1/3 the price. and not like it was a huge chore, but measuring shit out of 7 bottles every other day is kind of a pain in the ass, now its a scoop of this, a scoop of that, and i'm done
     
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    Roger A. Shrubber

    Roger A. Shrubber Well-Known Member

    you know, that reminded me, the actual biggest pain in the ass about veganics is their bottle design, i would end up with shit everywhere, and if you shake the stuff up with the cap on, then pour it and replace the cap, it'll ooze out and run down the side of the bottle. the cabinet where i kept it is stained all to hell. and they're too deep to get at the shit in the bottom without just pouring it out, none of my droppers or syringes i use for measuring will reach after they're half empty
    100_2576.JPG see whut i mean, Vern?
     
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    DonTesla

    DonTesla Well-Known Member

    I'm gonna be doing a bottle free veganic run, I was never impressed with the facade of messy bottles either. :) there's definetly a better way
     
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    Rrog

    Rrog Well-Known Member

    Pretty bottles. Looks very natural
     
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    Roger A. Shrubber

    Roger A. Shrubber Well-Known Member

    i like the design on the label...
     
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    Rrog

    Rrog Well-Known Member

    Good point. Maybe bottles are great and we should all abandon soil.

    I love the commercialization of things that really require no commercialization.
     
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    Roger A. Shrubber

    Roger A. Shrubber Well-Known Member

    did you read back a few posts? you seems to be giving me shit for the wrong thing.....
     
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    dankesthours182

    dankesthours182 Well-Known Member

    I agree but I'm having trouble finding recipes, everyone says a little of this a little of that, but it seems far less common to post a recipe.

    Instead of a five year thread arguing about two or three large companies' questionable nutrient systems, why not talk about personalizing and mix/matching existing nutrient and soil builds, and hydro nutrient teas and etc. I personally am dying to do an organic dwc
     
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    dankesthours182

    dankesthours182 Well-Known Member

    I think I'm gonna go with bio canna for my dwc, will it be able to be brewed out and bubbled?
     

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