Vero 29 B or C?
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KushyMcKush
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Shit when dod this turn into 3 pages lol. I appreciate the advice, but Im not trying to buy 20 chips and sinks. In the original post I said "cheap." Im just looking to pump out a lot of light with as few chips/sinks as possible. Dont care about efficiency much, and not trying to spend $700. Just looking to fill the driver I already have with 3-4 cobs to fill out the space between my other two bars. Ill probably go with the C's.
I haven't had time to read through every post yet, so sorry if I missed any responses. Ill run through it later tonight.
Anyone know where the best place to get the c or b versions? Preferably in the SE, but not a deal breaker. I looked around for a bit, but all I could find was the D's. Everyone was either out of them or just dont stock.
I haven't had time to read through every post yet, so sorry if I missed any responses. Ill run through it later tonight.
Anyone know where the best place to get the c or b versions? Preferably in the SE, but not a deal breaker. I looked around for a bit, but all I could find was the D's. Everyone was either out of them or just dont stock.
Hybridway
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Give CobKits a try. He's been helping out allot in this thread & others, Is a reliable & knowledgeable guy, & will prob continue to try n help you out if you need it.
KushyMcKush
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He hs helped me out a ton, with my previous build as well. His site was one of the first I checked out but he doesn't carry bridgelux at all that I could find. I found them at cutter, but idk how much shipping from au would be. @CobKits would you happen to have any hidden away that aren't on your site?
CobKits
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i got a handful i bought for my own use. some became testers, (2) 4000k 80 C, and (1) 4000K 80 B i think and i have 4 3000k B or Cs that i was gonna use and didnt. all are the non-SE.
i think i will be carrying them soon, at least in the popular colors. Theyre fine chips, nothing against them, their distribution kinda sucks so you buy and stock 50 chips that are constantly falling in price to make a buck or two each, its a tough gig. Not being greedy its just real easy to go upside down when your margin is that thin. I'm hoping that ill make up for it by selling more heatsinks and such.
I still think the cxm22s are better, even with cost of holders they are cheaper than vero B and D. definitely better than a D, i think it will be close to a B
vero C is basically identical to the 1825 gen 5, so a good value for $33 or whatever.
weekends coming up i need to do another round of par testing in the sphere
vero c vs 1825 gen 6 vs 3618 gen6 vs cxm22 if i get time.
hard to say. this week kicked my ass. super busy plus my dads in the hospital. little bit of catchup before i can play
older test with vero 7 and gen5 citis (12" free air, before i had sphere, note the wonky low current data)
i think i will be carrying them soon, at least in the popular colors. Theyre fine chips, nothing against them, their distribution kinda sucks so you buy and stock 50 chips that are constantly falling in price to make a buck or two each, its a tough gig. Not being greedy its just real easy to go upside down when your margin is that thin. I'm hoping that ill make up for it by selling more heatsinks and such.
I still think the cxm22s are better, even with cost of holders they are cheaper than vero B and D. definitely better than a D, i think it will be close to a B
vero C is basically identical to the 1825 gen 5, so a good value for $33 or whatever.
weekends coming up i need to do another round of par testing in the sphere
vero c vs 1825 gen 6 vs 3618 gen6 vs cxm22 if i get time.
hard to say. this week kicked my ass. super busy plus my dads in the hospital. little bit of catchup before i can play
older test with vero 7 and gen5 citis (12" free air, before i had sphere, note the wonky low current data)
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klx
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We can agree to disagree on all these points
CobKits
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well we can agree that they are great chips, but the point that they will put out more light when cooled to a lower temperature is just a fact 
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but how you use them is up to you. thats what makes cobs great, the wide application range. one guy on here would continually give me grief that it was "wrong" to run chips at 100W or more. I say there is no "wrong" as long as youre within chip specs (275W or so for a vero C)
. but how you use them is up to you. thats what makes cobs great, the wide application range. one guy on here would continually give me grief that it was "wrong" to run chips at 100W or more. I say there is no "wrong" as long as youre within chip specs (275W or so for a vero C)
KushyMcKush
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Sorry to hear about your dad, hope everything is alright.
What is that graph measuring exactly? The cmx22 does look very nice. I was actually just lookin at the 1825's a little bit ago. I might be interested in those extra chips if you want to sell them? Im just looking for my cheapest and best option to get some more light up. Im already 2 weeks into flower, so Id like to get another light up my mid-flower hopefully.
Damn, the cxm22 are only $19?!! Thats enticing, and looking at the specs they look extremely comparable to the others Ive been looking at. So I could fit 4 of these on my 320-1400, is that a good current to run these guys at? I could use 140mm right? These would be running at about 70w correct?
CobKits
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thanks for the well wishes
PPFD/W at 12" of a single cob, vs wattage
i have to clean out and do a garage sale, lots of odds and ends
search my posts for "getian". i have a bunch of those id let go for cheap and theyre pretty decent chips
17.10 after RIU code
yup 70-75ish. 140s are fine
CobKits
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i havent run gen6 3618 yet but in all my gen5 tests 3618 runs close to 1825 up to 150W and then pulls away. its a good chip for single driver/cob setups from 150-420W. 1825 better for most of us
i dont wanna hijack the vero thread tho, if you guys wanna discuss luminus or citi you can go to my cobkits thread
KushyMcKush
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thanks for the well wishes
PPFD/W at 12" of a single cob, vs wattage
i have to clean out and do a garage sale, lots of odds and ends
search my posts for "getian". i have a bunch of those id let go for cheap and theyre pretty decent chips
17.10 after RIU code
yup 70-75ish. 140s are fine
Ok cool so thats what? 10% discount? That would bring the 140mm sinks down to about $20 too. So that would be just about $150 for 4 chips plus sinks, plus holders. I can do the wholething for under $200 with frame and all. Not bad at all!
I don't see any sinks tapped for the cxm22's though, only 3590. Do you have any that will fit these chips?
KushyMcKush
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I can drill them out myself, its not a big deal, but it would be nice to not have to lol. If not, could you include a pattern? Or is it not really necessary? Its just 2 holes right... so thats pretty easy.
klx
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That is a fact but the part about the fans...not so much. Proper grow ops have more than enough air movement to easily negate the need for active cooling up to 100W and probably more but I havent tested any higher.well we can agree that they are great chips, but the point that they will put out more light when cooled to a lower temperature is just a fact
but how you use them is up to you. thats what makes cobs great, the wide application range. one guy on here would continually give me grief that it was "wrong" to run chips at 100W or more. I say there is no "wrong" as long as youre within chip specs (275W or so for a vero C)
Anyway, you are right, they are great chips, solid as a rock. Cheers.
CobKits
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sounds like a great idea for a test. robin did some tests of fans vs heatsinks in still air but i dont know if anyones done one in a tent with typical airflow. would be pretty straightforward with a wattsup and a PAR grid. in any case its diminishing returns as fans arent free and they use power. in his case a lot less than the extra light he got out of it, but as you mentioned, probably less in practice..
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KushyMcKush
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Ok, I just read on your page where it says they are dimensionally identical to the clu048 for accessories. I missed that before. That makes things easy.
So by my calculations these would be running at ~74.4w assuming theyre using 53.2v @ 1400ma, which is as close as I can get on their chart on the spec sheet. Thats really close to the max rating on the 133mm sinks. Would I be safer just going with the 140mm to give me a little better cooling? I do have an oscilating fan that blows across the top of my lights too if that helps. It was just too much wind on my plants so I tilted it up to run across my lights... figured it couldn't hurt right?
CobKits
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its an arbitrary recommendation, dont sweat it. your chip will still be well under its max Tj
it will do a lot actually
DankaDank
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I'm going to sue Bridgelux for false information and demand to get compensated in 29 C's !
I would bet on a 140mm pin sink being cooler in a grow area, ( i.e. substantial air movement) than a small heat sink with a fan.
