VERY low potency weed, no idea what caused it

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Weedmonkey

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smashcity said:
Forgive me for such a long reply, but...
This is a very valuable lesson that you have encountered this go round. I will say this, there are a multitude of factors that come into play when determining the final outcome of product. From personal experience(and I will provide an example shortly after), genetics, heat, the amount of water and how often plants are watered, relative humidity, and humidity when drying all play a significant role in your final product in terms of smell, shape, and potency. Take East Coast Sour Diesel and its crosses for example. ECSD when grown relatively well in optimal conditions, can be some of the best smelling, tasting, trichome engulfed, and skull smashing herb that one could ever hope to encounter.

Grow that same ECSD in the summer without a controlled environment (ac, dehumidifier, etc.) and I can guarantee that you will have nothing but hay smelling buds with a bunch of hairs protruding out of calyxes that just never swelled to their potential, a vastly evident reduction of trichomes, and a dissapointing high to go with it. You probably wont even be able to give it away. When I first started growing, I never believed in the term "finicky plant" or "rate of difficulty" talk until I actually experienced it. My mind set was cannabis is just a weed after all and it will grow wherever. LOL the days of being young and dumb.

Anyhow, This happened to me one summer while growing out an ECSD cross from cannaventure and then again a couple of weeks ago growing out Gu's Garlix. Both crosses were grown in the winter with amazing results. so stellar that I revegged and began working on backcrosses and crosses to the plants that leaned toward the ECSD side trying to lock in traits that would result in more ECSD leaning phenotypes when popping seeds. Well it's official, I just harvested and dried 2 different phenos of Garlix, One leaning diesel and one leaning stardawg. Both foxtailed but the diesel leaning ones are just atrocious in looks, smell, taste, and smoke. For this reason, I have to make a decision... Either I run ECSD crosses in the winter or just give up growing ECSD forever. I think I'm going with the latter. Too many strains out there that will yield better results in harsh conditions.

When it all comes down to it, maybe WW is a finicky plant also? who knows? but some plants do better in harsh conditions than others. You can do one of two things. Find a plant that thrives in harsh conditions OR manipulate your grow environment to accomodate what your plants thrive on.
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I thought I found a plant that thrives in harsh conditions, that's one of the reasons why I stuck to White Widow, it's supposed to be easy to grow and able to withstand harsh conditions, and it seemed to work for me until now. I guess the temperature raise in my grow room that mysteriously happened a year ago or so was the final straw, I was pushing it with temps already getting as high as somewhere around 34 celsius (93 fahrenheit) and apparently they still tolerated that temp, but now it's at least a couple degrees warmer, if I remember correctly it even got as high as 38 or 39 celsius (around 102 fahrenheit) recently when it was really hot for a couple of days
I doubt there's a strain that's still supposed to do ok with those temps, so I guess I have to figure out a way to lower the temp.

chemphlegm said:
how would one know that all of the alcohol has been removed? If so though, yest , fine to smoke.
I see people vaporizing straight alcohol and cant help but think when I see booze as a solvent for extraction, and
hear "its the best ever" I have to believe vaporizing alcohol is fun for them too.
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I guess you could wait a very long time to make sure all the alcohol is vaporized, but I'm sure some of it will be trapped in bubbles so I have no clue really. That's why I was asking lol. I guess you would need to put it in a vacuum to get the bubbles out and then it could work as a way to get pure concentrate.
Kids are vaping alcohol these days for real? I heard about it on tv but didn't really think it would be a thing irl. What's next, putting alcohol soaked tampons up your ass to get drunk? lol.
I'm getting old.

QuarksRSmall said:
To people that say you can't hit 80 degrees, I wonder why all the cannabis grown around the equator is so damn good? I guess that nature hasn't learned that it is impossible to grow good cannabis if it is over 80 degrees without extra co2. I am not trying to fight, just point out that that statement might not be 100% correct.
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Yea pretty sure that makes no sense. That's certainly not my experience, I have had temps way higher while still getting decent results. I'm sure that in my case lower temps could result in better weed but I doubt it has to be as low as 80 degrees to get the best result, but who knows.
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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Weedmonkey said:
I thought I found a plant that thrives in harsh conditions, that's one of the reasons why I stuck to White Widow, it's supposed to be easy to grow and able to withstand harsh conditions, and it seemed to work for me until now. I guess the temperature raise in my grow room that mysteriously happened a year ago or so was the final straw, I was pushing it with temps already getting as high as somewhere around 34 celsius (93 fahrenheit) and apparently they still tolerated that temp, but now it's at least a couple degrees warmer, if I remember correctly it even got as high as 38 or 39 celsius (around 102 fahrenheit) recently when it was really hot for a couple of days
I doubt there's a strain that's still supposed to do ok with those temps, so I guess I have to figure out a way to lower the temp.


I guess you could wait a very long time to make sure all the alcohol is vaporized, but I'm sure some of it will be trapped in bubbles so I have no clue really. That's why I was asking lol. I guess you would need to put it in a vacuum to get the bubbles out and then it could work as a way to get pure concentrate.
Kids are vaping alcohol these days for real? I heard about it on tv but didn't really think it would be a thing irl. What's next, putting alcohol soaked tampons up your ass to get drunk? lol.
I'm getting old.


Yea pretty sure that makes no sense. That's certainly not my experience, I have had temps way higher while still getting decent results. I'm sure that in my case lower temps could result in better weed but I doubt it has to be as low as 80 degrees to get the best result, but who knows.
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wine enema's are a thing
heat would remove alcohol
powdered alcohol is a thing
maybe google invented it all for followers
we are old
 
BlueBlazer00

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Maybe the seeds you bought from the seed bank were not as potent as ones previously bought . Don't just give up on your favorite strain because of one bad crop , if the strain has worked for you before then try again . You might not be so disappointed with your next run. Who knows the seeds you thought were WW probably were not at all .:clap:
 
SPLFreak808

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I will admit, higher temps seem to lower bag appeal and too high will fuck with taste but I've never had ripened bud that didn't get me high...

Even flowered outdoor under the summer hawaiian sun, as long as its not picked early then it WILL get you lit with flavour.

I've probably never popped more then 70-80 cannabis beans in my life but I've never seen one that didnt produce enough to contently "satisfy" the user, unless it was chopped early.

Yes some phenos suck balls but they all still seem to get me (a long time daily toker) pretty lit, even the worst seem to still have enough potency.

Is it possible you got RQ's auto ww?
 
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Weedmonkey

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chemphlegm said:
wine enema's are a thing
heat would remove alcohol
powdered alcohol is a thing
maybe google invented it all for followers
we are old
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Wine enemas lol. How is that a thing? I know it's possible but why the fuck would anyone do that. But I guess ppl put weirder things up their ass so I'm sure it's a thing lol. Let me guess, is it a hipster thing? ;-P

Would heat remove alcohol if it was trapped in bubbles in the concentrate? I don't think so but I'm not sure.

BlueBlazer00 said:
Maybe the seeds you bought from the seed bank were not as potent as ones previously bought . Don't just give up on your favorite strain because of one bad crop , if the strain has worked for you before then try again . You might not be so disappointed with your next run. Who knows the seeds you thought were WW probably were not at all .:clap:
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So far I had positive results with rqs's ww even with the harsh conditions the plants sometimes had to endure, so I'm not just giving up on it because of one disastrous grow.
It's not my favorite strain but even if it was I only grew about 6 different strains so far so chances are very big that my most favorite strain is one that I didn't try yet, so I will probably try out something different in the near future anyway, regardless of how I feel about ww.
I still got some ww seeds left though so I'll probably finish those first, unless something goes wrong with the ww clones I'm growing now.
I also just tried out cloning for the first time so I'll probably try to do that from now on as soon as I have done a grow I'm happy about so I can rule out genetics when something goes wrong then.

SPLFreak808 said:
I will admit, higher temps seem to lower bag appeal and too high will fuck with taste but I've never had ripened bud that didn't get me high...

Even flowered outdoor under the summer hawaiian sun, as long as its not picked early then it WILL get you lit with flavour.

I've probably never popped more then 70-80 cannabis beans in my life but I've never seen one that didnt produce enough to contently "satisfy" the user, unless it was chopped early.

Yes some phenos suck balls but they all still seem to get me (a long time daily toker) pretty lit, even the worst seem to still have enough potency.

Is it possible you got RQ's auto ww?
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I doubt they were autos unless they coincidentally started flowering EXACTLY a week after i changed the light schedule to 12/12. I guess it's not impossible but probably not.
If anything I wonder if it might have been mixed up with cbd seeds which they also sell, but I assume cbd strains would still have some smell to them.

I also never grew weed before that pretty much didn't get me high, well one time but that was sort of a mystery seed and outdoor grow so who knows what caused that, but I did have plenty of shitty grows that was shitty weed but I still got high from it just like you're saying, just had to roll a bit bigger joints for the same effect.
I even had hermies that pollinated themselves and were full of seed that I smoked and I still got relatively high, just a pain in the ass to take all those seeds out lol.
Or some extreme foxtailing and very fluffy buds on some shitty strain that was a pain in the ass to harvest but still got me relatively high, so I'm still wondering if it really was just the temperature.

Maybe I chopped them too early, that the heat caused the plants to take longer, but I saw some amber trichs already so I assumed they were (almost) ready. Could those also appear before the plant is (close to) ready?
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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Weedmonkey said:
Wine enemas lol. How is that a thing? I know it's possible but why the fuck would anyone do that. But I guess ppl put weirder things up their ass so I'm sure it's a thing lol. Let me guess, is it a hipster thing? ;-P

Would heat remove alcohol if it was trapped in bubbles in the concentrate? I don't think so but I'm not sure.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_enema = its a faster way to the bloodstream, bypasses the digestive system.

alcohol boils at 173, depending on the temperature, longevity, and extract viscosity alcohol can be removed.
some good link for polishing extracts https://skunkpharmresearch.com/getting-the-green-and-waxes-out-afterwards/
 
SPLFreak808

SPLFreak808

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Weedmonkey said:
Wine enemas lol. How is that a thing? I know it's possible but why the fuck would anyone do that. But I guess ppl put weirder things up their ass so I'm sure it's a thing lol. Let me guess, is it a hipster thing? ;-P

Would heat remove alcohol if it was trapped in bubbles in the concentrate? I don't think so but I'm not sure.


So far I had positive results with rqs's ww even with the harsh conditions the plants sometimes had to endure, so I'm not just giving up on it because of one disastrous grow.
It's not my favorite strain but even if it was I only grew about 6 different strains so far so chances are very big that my most favorite strain is one that I didn't try yet, so I will probably try out something different in the near future anyway, regardless of how I feel about ww.
I still got some ww seeds left though so I'll probably finish those first, unless something goes wrong with the ww clones I'm growing now.
I also just tried out cloning for the first time so I'll probably try to do that from now on as soon as I have done a grow I'm happy about so I can rule out genetics when something goes wrong then.


I doubt they were autos unless they coincidentally started flowering EXACTLY a week after i changed the light schedule to 12/12. I guess it's not impossible but probably not.
If anything I wonder if it might have been mixed up with cbd seeds which they also sell, but I assume cbd strains would still have some smell to them.

I also never grew weed before that pretty much didn't get me high, well one time but that was sort of a mystery seed and outdoor grow so who knows what caused that, but I did have plenty of shitty grows that was shitty weed but I still got high from it just like you're saying, just had to roll a bit bigger joints for the same effect.
I even had hermies that pollinated themselves and were full of seed that I smoked and I still got relatively high, just a pain in the ass to take all those seeds out lol.
Or some extreme foxtailing and very fluffy buds on some shitty strain that was a pain in the ass to harvest but still got me relatively high, so I'm still wondering if it really was just the temperature.

Maybe I chopped them too early, that the heat caused the plants to take longer, but I saw some amber trichs already so I assumed they were (almost) ready. Could those also appear before the plant is (close to) ready?
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Its possible you could have chopped early, ime its usually the cold that slows my plants down.

When i attempt to time a plants harvest, i heavily consider its flowering time,trichomes ripeness and genetic swell/stack before making the call.

For the most part, no cannabis plant should really be taken any less then 8 weeks in a good environment. Once and only once you get near that mark its time to keep up with what the trichs look like every few days.

You'll get cloudy, then milky followed by a milky white which may or may not be followed by "amber" it depends on the pheno/environment combination.

Maturing trichomes can be pink,purple,red,yellow or even just milky but they all have 1 thing in common, they are out of round and sometimes look shriveled.
 
too larry

too larry

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QuarksRSmall said:
To people that say you can't hit 80 degrees, I wonder why all the cannabis grown around the equator is so damn good? I guess that nature hasn't learned that it is impossible to grow good cannabis if it is over 80 degrees without extra co2. I am not trying to fight, just point out that that statement might not be 100% correct.
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I'm an outdoor grower, and we don't see many nights where it gets down lower than 75F until September. And the days are all in the mid 90's.
 
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SSHZ

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As was stated early, poor genetics was probably the issue. If it was grown well enough, and let to flower long enough, and the quality still ended up poor, genetics was most likely to blame.
 
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Weedmonkey

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I have been smoking this stuff for a bit and now I think it's actually getting a little bit stronger. I guess the stuff I started smoking at the beginning was all small stuff from the bottom of the plant that never had enough light to really develop into decent buds, so I'm guessing maybe it was a little bit weaker too.
I'm still not getting incredibly high from it but when I smoke enough of it I seem to get close to the high I'm used to. Too bad the taste is still not great and I don't get those awesome brain tingles whenever I take a big hit but at least it's not totally useless.
I'm also in the process of curing most of the harvest and I think the smell gets a little bit better, but still not what I'm used to from earlier grows, but I'm really glad it doesn't seem to be totally useless weed. I will probably go through it in no-time at the amounts I'm smoking now though.

chemphlegm said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_enema = its a faster way to the bloodstream, bypasses the digestive system.

alcohol boils at 173, depending on the temperature, longevity, and extract viscosity alcohol can be removed.
some good link for polishing extracts https://skunkpharmresearch.com/getting-the-green-and-waxes-out-afterwards/
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Lol. Hope this isn't going to become a fad with the kids as it seems like it's a lot more dangerous as there's no way to puke out the alcohol when you're getting close to alcohol poisoning. Don't do it kids, just keep drinking your alcohol, just as fun without the extra risks lol.

I guess I'm going to try out making an alcohol extract then, only problem I have is that I don't think I have the equipment to measure the temp when doing this, which would also be a problem with decarbing the weed first.
And do you think I would be able to do this with 75 proof alcohol? If not I have to look for some stronger stuff but I don't think they're selling everclear over here.

SPLFreak808 said:
Its possible you could have chopped early, ime its usually the cold that slows my plants down.

When i attempt to time a plants harvest, i heavily consider its flowering time,trichomes ripeness and genetic swell/stack before making the call.

For the most part, no cannabis plant should really be taken any less then 8 weeks in a good environment. Once and only once you get near that mark its time to keep up with what the trichs look like every few days.

You'll get cloudy, then milky followed by a milky white which may or may not be followed by "amber" it depends on the pheno/environment combination.

Maturing trichomes can be pink,purple,red,yellow or even just milky but they all have 1 thing in common, they are out of round and sometimes look shriveled.
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I don't think I ever really saw a difference between cloudy, milky or milky white trichs lol. They're either clear or milky to me.
Good to know that maturing trichs are out of round, gonna pay attention to that with my next grow.

SSHZ said:
As was stated early, poor genetics was probably the issue. If it was grown well enough, and let to flower long enough, and the quality still ended up poor, genetics was most likely to blame.
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I sure hope not. I'll let you ppl know how it goes with the clones, if it's poor genetics those should be bad too so I will find out eventually. I really hope I'm not wasting all that time and energy on shitty clones.


Thanks all for the feedback, I really appreciate it.
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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I use a tamisium with nbutane recovered. I dont know about using booze except to make a green dragon/tincture kind of mix.
good luck
 
Ares2389

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Weedmonkey said:
I guess I'm going to try out making an alcohol extract then, only problem I have is that I don't think I have the equipment to measure the temp when doing this, which would also be a problem with decarbing the weed first.
And do you think I would be able to do this with 75 proof alcohol? If not I have to look for some stronger stuff but I don't think they're selling everclear over here.
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Want to chime my 2 cents in before you go that route. If Everclear is not available by you look into KleenXtract (Not a plug for them.) This is their site http://www.culinarysolvent.com/

You can get up to 200 proof food grade ethanol (same thing as EverClear, except this is stronger*) their pricing is also fairly similar to EC.

I haven't browsed the concentrates section much on here. The forum I lurk on is fuckcombustion.com. Some of the guys on there make insane shatter. Regardless of where you research, you will want to look into QWET or QWKX techniques.

*The alcohol will absorb water from the atmosphere so at some point it will end up being less than 200 proof.
 
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Weedmonkey

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chemphlegm said:
I use a tamisium with nbutane recovered. I dont know about using booze except to make a green dragon/tincture kind of mix.
good luck
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Thanks man.

TacoMac said:
If you flower White Widow any less than 12 weeks you are doing it wrong.
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Ok, that's the first time I hear that. Are you sure?
Guess I'm doing it wrong then.

Ares2389 said:
Want to chime my 2 cents in before you go that route. If Everclear is not available by you look into KleenXtract (Not a plug for them.) This is their site http://www.culinarysolvent.com/

You can get up to 200 proof food grade ethanol (same thing as EverClear, except this is stronger*) their pricing is also fairly similar to EC.

I haven't browsed the concentrates section much on here. The forum I lurk on is fuckcombustion.com. Some of the guys on there make insane shatter. Regardless of where you research, you will want to look into QWET or QWKX techniques.

*The alcohol will absorb water from the atmosphere so at some point it will end up being less than 200 proof.
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So what would happen if I did do it with 75 proof? Would less cannabinoids be extracted?
I guess I'm going to see what higher proof alcohol I can get around here first. Thanks for the info though.
 
TacoMac

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I grow WW exclusively. Most seed dealers will give you the guideline that WW flowers in 9 weeks. That is not written in stone.

First off, you're in a small space with a 400 watt HPS. That's going to slow things down more times than not. The heat alone is going to stunt them quite a bit. What's more, a 400 is a good light, but it's not a great light. That alone is going to add a couple weeks to your grow. You add all that together and I wouldn't even think about harvesting until week 12 in your case.

I wish I had a nickel for every time I've seen somebody hack down a grow because he read on a sheet it's supposed to take X weeks and didn't bother actually looking at the plant to see if it was really done.

I'd be a millionaire by now.
 
Ares2389

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Weedmonkey said:
Thanks man.


Ok, that's the first time I hear that. Are you sure?
Guess I'm doing it wrong then.


So what would happen if I did do it with 75 proof? Would less cannabinoids be extracted?
I guess I'm going to see what higher proof alcohol I can get around here first. Thanks for the info though.
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The lower proof has more water in it and who knows what else. Less to bind to. Also then trying to evaporate away all that other stuff after you extract is a nightmare. It would only be worth it, IMO, to do the EC or KX if that's the route you go. Stay away from ISO extractions.

At least that's my understanding. I am not by any means an expert. Just doing a lot of reading as I plan on going down this route to try and make my own e-juice.

Best of luck!
 
chemphlegm

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Ares2389 said:
The lower proof has more water in it and who knows what else. Less to bind to. At least that's my understanding. I am not by any means an expert. Just doing a lot of reading as I plan on going down this route to try and make my own e-juice.

Best of luck!
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more water= more water solubles are concentrated into the result, like green chlorophyll
 
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Weedmonkey

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Ares2389 said:
The lower proof has more water in it and who knows what else. Less to bind to. Also then trying to evaporate away all that other stuff after you extract is a nightmare. It would only be worth it, IMO, to do the EC or KX if that's the route you go. Stay away from ISO extractions.

At least that's my understanding. I am not by any means an expert. Just doing a lot of reading as I plan on going down this route to try and make my own e-juice.

Best of luck!
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Less to bind to meaning it will probably extract less cannabinoids from the weed than with stronger alcohol?
I have no idea what an iso extraction is so I will stay away from it lol.
Thanks for the help man, and good luck with making your own e-juice.

chemphlegm said:
more water= more water solubles are concentrated into the result, like green chlorophyll
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Ok I'm pretty sure you are (sort of) right as I experienced extracting chlorophyll with water by making coconut oil/butter infused with weed, and the leftover water was full of it, but I just googled chlorophyll and this is what it says:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorophyll#Culinary_use
"Chlorophyll is not soluble in water"

I'm confused.
 
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Weedmonkey

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I wonder if it's really worth it for me trying to do this. I was thinking of maybe doing it with 10 grams or something, I doubt I will end up with a lot of concentrate from that amount of weed.
And can I just smoke that stuff in a joint or would I need a dab rig for that?
I think I'm just going to do it with what I have for now, just use the vodka I have anyway and throw in 10 grams of weed, let it sit for a while, filter, then just take shots of it, fuck getting rid of the alcohol lol.
 
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