Week 8 Flower Still SMALL BUDS!!!!

GroErr said:

They look great, small buds aren't necessarily bad, mostly genetics driving production/size of the buds/plant. You can have small producers but fire and large producers putting out crap, I always prefer the quality over quantity.

I'd say give them another 7-10 days for a couple of reasons. Trichs still look like a lot of clear in there, some white hairs still showing. Hairs should be turned (brown/redish/curled) and trichs can definitely cloud up some more.

315w CMH in a 3x3 is perfect so don't think the size of buds has much to do with anything but genetics. You can pull a pound with that light, but it has to be the right genetics/pheno.

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goldberg71b said:

Also 8 weeks is no magic number. Sativas can take 16,20,24 weeks. Indicas Finish faster. Their bud structure is different as well. Many strains are hybrids and they'll have both sativa and indica in them. These strains may have predominance to lean one way or the other. But if you pop enough of them you'll get the spectrum. From more sativa to a combo and then more indica. So what type of seed and where you got it is important. Now if you got a bag seeds from a hybrid there can also be a wider variance than the original seeds. It looks to me like you've got a classic hybrid. Not full indica or sativa but rather a mixture.

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Anon Emaus said:

Yeah I agree with GroErr, sometimes you just don't get the genetics to produce big buds. I actually have a perfect example in my tent right now, I run a 3x3 tent with a 600w and I'm running 1 strain but from two different seeds and due to the phenotype differences one plant has perfect fat cola cone shaped buds and the other has little nug patches like your plant. Both had the same conditions(they even share a reservoir) with the same light but genetics really takes hold of yield. I've grown a 20oz single plant in my tent and I've grow as low as a single 13 oz plant, just comes down to genetics.

Your 315w is great for a 3x3 tent, so no issue on lighting. And yeah, give it another week or two. I always figure at least 10 weeks, not 8(altho you could be done in 8 if it's the right strain, or it could be 15+ weeks).

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Hydromantic said:

Sooooo...

Should I continue flushing Fire OG and Blue Dream or put them back on Nutes. Remember I am doing DWC so it isn't as long of a flush time...

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Anon Emaus said:

Keep nutes going. No need to flush in DWC(plenty of people will argue against that though) because there is no salt build up in your medium due to your medium(water) being replaced often. Flushing will also starve your plants of nutrients they require at a critical point in their life, again soil is another story. If you do wish to flush I'd suggest waiting until you figure out the whole growing cycle and have a couple harvests under your belt so you know when you actually want to flush.

BTW, towards the end of your plants life you should be reducing the amounts of nutrients you're providing.

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Anon Emaus said:

I've grown a 20oz single plant in my tent and I've grow as low as a single 13 oz plant, just comes down to genetics.

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Hydromantic said:

Hey Guys,

So I am at Day 98 since Germination and 50 days into Flower. My buds are starting to show signs that they are getting close to harvest but the buds are so small! It was my first grow ever but I'm not sure what went wrong. Im thinking it may be that the light was under powered for the grow space. I also want to make sure I am not reading the harvest signs incorrectly.

Set-up:

(4) 5 gal buckets with two air stones in each bucket
(1) 315w CMH
3 x 3 x 7h Grow Tent
PH 5.5-6.0
PPM's currently 850
Air Temp is 70
Using AN nutes, currently Sensi Bloom, b-52 and Over drive
Distilled water

Im wondering if the plants went through a giant stretch and thats why the buds are so small or maybe its just the underpowered wattage, or I am harvesting too early, they also had some chemical burn.... Im at a loss to be honest.

I have been monitoring the Trichomes every day... They are currently 80 percent Cloudy.

I am going to be flushing using Flawless finish

Pictures:

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Alaric said:

First grow ever-----.

My first thought about "chemical burn" on the leaf tips and edges----nutes too strong----but 850 ppm---what conversion factor?

Suggestion:

Take sample buds at different stages of cloudy-----and find out for yourself which one you enjoy more.

I haven't ever run LED lights----but 315 watts 0f lighting sounds weak to me compared to a 600 watt hps---which is good for a 3 X 3 canopy. That is my guess to the reason for smaller buds----and you can't ever discount genetics.

As for flushing-----I run 1000 ppm (.7) from start to end for flowering and veg (after roots well established).

Several pics in my journal if interested.

A~~~

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Hydromantic said:

Im not converting from E.C. to PPM I am using a TDS meter that displays PPM's. I had the plants sitting around 980 PPM for a week or so while I was out of town, when i got back I checked the PPM's and had seen that they climbed to 1300 because they were drinking more water than Nutes... I ended up dropping down to 800 and they seemed to be much happier there. I have been contimplating upgrading to a 600w CMH for my future grows...

I think next time around I am going to do a single plant scrOG in the 3x3 so I can focus on just one plant to really try and dial her in.

What are your thoughts on the updated images I posted? Close to harvest? I feel like given the smaller bud size its a little harder to determine...

Might just be me..

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