We're breeding out the ambering of trich's in many new strains ?

I've been watching this trend for some years now....I have become a firm believer in this!

Look at the newest, coolest things coming down the pike.....They simply don't have much ambering and some have none! Bulk up, cloud up, and then either swell or foxtail....Run too long and the heads fall off as normal....I think it's more pronounced in seriously potent strains!

I was at first thinking I was doing something wrong as these newer strains didn't amber up.....
Later I realized that my older strains still did, just as well as they always have. Old ass cross of skunk X Romulan - still ambers up and when it starts, it does it fast!

One old timer has spent some time breeding the ambering back into his strains.....This simply confirms my point...

What are you guy's seeing?

I heard that too much N causes foxtailing but I had a plant do it out of the blue -- with zero extra N. It was doing great, then @ week 9/12 *poof*.
The herb is fine but bag appeal sucks.
Gotta be genetics. What do you think?

Same thing happens to my Mob fuck strain. I refuse to waste my.time running it any longer. Fox tails like something fierce. 6 other growers say same thing. I've since culled it from my garden. Great smoke, great smell, HORRIBLE bag appeal and structure.

I got foxtails running a supposed columbian strain long ago but none since. I wait for the amber to happen and it does usually within my tagged date. I keep about 35 strains in cycle full time. maybe non ambering is specific to certain varieties I dunno

Everything I make turns into caramel broccoli, a lot of it is folks pulling early imo.. I see nugs with obvious stiff white pistils in the jars (which isn't always an indicator of finished trichomes, but is a clear indicator on whether the flowers were "ripe" for my taste.

Dr. Who said:

What are you guy's seeing?

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if the amber is a sign of THC degrading into CBN then maybe it has something to do with newer strains having higher CBD which causes less degradation of the THC?

i personally haven't seen this mainly because i haven't run many "new" strains.

names of new strains that are foxtailing and not ambering up ?

Very cool thread. I Think Riddleme aka RKM3
Is doing his own research on the subject, dunno no much about, but interesting stuff.

rkymtnman said:

if the amber is a sign of THC degrading into CBN then maybe it has something to do with newer strains having higher CBD which causes less degradation of the THC?

i personally haven't seen this mainly because i haven't run many "new" strains.

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Interesting point.
Yet some of my "uber potent" strains are uber low CBD.....

chemphlegm said:

names of new strains that are foxtailing and not ambering up ?

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Just about everything I've been running from breeders other then the seed bank brands - A few of them too....

GG#4 is a perfect example.
Most of the Cookies strains I've played with - cept the one I crossed with a "muffin cut" Blueberry from the 80's.....it has taken that ambering in from the BB......high THC strain too....Do-Si-Dos, Plt Banana, Goondox Rocks (stinky fucker), Thin Mint OG, Ghost Breath, and HP #7 to name some off the top on my head.

Ull420 said:

Very cool thread. I Think Riddleme aka RKM3
Is doing his own research on the subject, dunno no much about, but interesting stuff.

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We "know" each other. We've been talking about it lately somewhere else...He has spent a bunch of time breeding that back into his strains.....

It doesn't really bother me.....I tend to wonder what new folks think about being told to look for things like 30% amber before harvest...
Still, many here simply run known strains from the big seed re-sellers, like the TUDE.....

You see, the idea that a strain is done in X amount of days is, well, silly really... I run my gear L-O-N-G....... progressive harvesting is done on many of the strains.

Early harvest is the most wide spread problem I see in the overall quality of far too many growers! The second is not curing enough!

Chunky Stool said:

I heard that too much N causes foxtailing but I had a plant do it out of the blue -- with zero extra N. It was doing great, then @ week 9/12 *poof*.
The herb is fine but bag appeal sucks.
Gotta be genetics. What do you think?

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Most likely!

Sativa and heavy sativa's do it most.....yet I don't mean any big dreadlock looking foxing...more like acceptable "stacking" - kinda like ECSD does.....

Many of my CH9 plants show colored trichomes.

Not only amber. Pink, purple, violet, reddish and amber. And clear/cloudy.

And the more color the more trippy and heady usually.

Breeding back in a trait Like amber because you see it is no better than just breeding for short flowering or high THC.

You don't get back the original land race effects like that. It's the back crossing that ruins the high in my opinion.

You have to find the right plant with these traits and preserve them. Not cross until you see what you think you want.

the more I read the less accurate all these grower theories are seeming.

Dr. Who said:

We "know" each other. We've been talking about it lately somewhere else...He has spent a bunch of time breeding that back into his strains.....

It doesn't really bother me.....I tend to wonder what new folks think about being told to look for things like 30% amber before harvest...
Still, many here simply run known strains from the big seed re-sellers, like the TUDE.....

You see, the idea that a strain is done in X amount of days is, well, silly really... I run my gear L-O-N-G....... progressive harvesting is done on many of the strains.

Early harvest is the most wide spread problem I see in the overall quality of far too many growers! The second is not curing enough!

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Haven't seen it here (yet) any fox tailing or any 'abnormality' plant is trashed

last fox tail I had was 8 years ago on southern India Kerela

I do go 'long' as ambering of the trics is crucial to my existence ..lol

but will stay sharp for the situation happening here

good luck

vostok said:

Haven't seen it here (yet) any fox tailing or any 'abnormality' plant is trashed

last fox tail I had was 8 years ago on southern India Kerela

I do go 'long' as ambering of the trics is crucial to my existence ..lol

but will stay sharp for the situation happening here

good luck

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You will likely see the transparent colored trichomes on old classic sativa strains like Jack Herrer and lemon Thai.

They are full of colors before any clear trich goes cloudy.

I see them on many plants of Blue Lemon Thai which is basically sour diesel and lemon Thai.

And @Dr. Who i saw them when I used Hortilux Super hps only contrary to the other sites flourescent light only claims and your insistence I need sunlight like spectrum.

But there are more showing now under the 315 LEC. I wonder if it is the uv?

I don't have a good way to get close ups yet. I will eventually buy a USB microscope but this Citral x Pow33 has amber ,purple and blue showing.

Sorry. Best I can do with camera I have.

And here is a Blue Lemon Thai with the foxtail bud structure I believe @Dr. Who mentioned diesel grows like.

BLT has ECSD in it.



I also forgot to mention that I have not seen a strain with only amber colored trichs without some other colors along with them.

Maybe because of the multi sativa heavy hybrids?

Like Colombian Gold has amber. Panama Red Has red. And Thai has purple. Etc.

Also he breeder of the plants I am showing has never mentioned this. He would have if he was breeding specifically for it.

He just likes old school highs and breeds for them.

Dr. Who said:

We "know" each other. We've been talking about it lately somewhere else...He has spent a bunch of time breeding that back into his strains.....

It doesn't really bother me.....I tend to wonder what new folks think about being told to look for things like 30% amber before harvest...
Still, many here simply run known strains from the big seed re-sellers, like the TUDE.....

You see, the idea that a strain is done in X amount of days is, well, silly really... I run my gear L-O-N-G....... progressive harvesting is done on many of the strains.

Early harvest is the most wide spread problem I see in the overall quality of far too many growers! The second is not curing enough!

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So what would you suggest one due if they have one of these non ambering strains.....how would a noob or anyone else know when to harvest by trichs alone.....do the trichs do anything to show signs of degrading?

Also does full on milky trichromes still mean harvest window is near/opening or do these plants look milky sooner as well .....I've only heard of this issue on Riu so far ....that's why I'm asking these questions.

Is it true autos are more prone to doing this? ((Heard someone say that as well))

Sorry for rambling questions ((just dabbed myself into relax mode))

Indacouch said:

So what would you suggest one due if they have one of these non ambering strains.....how would a noob or anyone else know when to harvest by trichs alone.....do the trichs do anything to show signs of degrading?

Also does full on milky trichromes still mean harvest window is near/opening or do these plants look milky sooner as well .....I've only heard of this issue on Riu so far ....that's why I'm asking these questions.

Is it true autos are more prone to doing this? ((Heard someone say that as well))

Sorry for rambling questions ((just dabbed myself into relax mode))

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I can answer to the hybrids I grow. I'm high and hanging out too.

If the plant only or mostly shows clear to cloudy like the guides I harvest when the trichs are all cloudy and just a bit degraded.

Degrading trichomes to me look bent down with browning heads maybe starting to look dented as well.

Potent trichomes in this case look tall and have an opaque milky white head that is big and round and full. The stalk will start bending under the weight of the oil.

In plants where I see multi colored trichomes they seem to develop heavily around 50% clear and the rest cloudy or colored transparent.

I wait till exactly the same effect. All cloudy or colored no or very little clear and some cloudy starting to degrade.

And I have been testing this a plant at a time almost every week we harvest one and what I wrote above gives the most complex strongest long lasting high regardless of strain.

Also the colored trichs are no indication of someone's most enjoyable high or stone.

My trippiest strongest plant ever was a Herijuana x Jack 33 and she showed no colored trichs but could give you a giggly for hours high ending in a nice mellow stone.

My second favorite one is a BLT that has tons of colors and has a slightly more even uplifting high than the heri did. But the heri was still more full and potent.

I did not clone the heri unfortunately but I run the BLT now as a staple daytime work kind of weed.

It's a G-13, ECSD, Lemon Thai hybrid.

@Indacouch So what would you suggest one due if they have one of these non ambering strains.....how would a noob or anyone else know when to harvest by trichs alone.....do the trichs do anything to show signs of degrading?

No, they don't - Not by any standard we know, or have I noticed any real sign of the impending drop of heads. Many of them simply go milky and then really get a big calyx swell, followed by minor FTing or "stacking" of calyx's like on ECSD and some OG's... One strain takes a long time to cloud and the stacking can get real nice looking......Bottom line is that you complete the bulking phase. Now you look daily for the calyx swell and the pistols to recede into them. Once your at that point and your getting full cloudy.....begin harvest.
Full on swollen calyxes on a GG#4


Also does full on milky trichromes still mean harvest window is near/opening or do these plants look milky sooner as well .....I've only heard of this issue on Riu so far ....that's why I'm asking these questions.

You're actually asking a great question here. The GG#4 I've got is one that does not seem to go 100% cloudy......I have to go by the calyx swell and the stacking. I thought at first it might be an environmental shift. But, when looking close the change from the first plant to the next 3 runs (plant 1 was a clone sent to me. It was run in a place that is for my "projects". It was in an "isolation" area (tent) so I could be sure it did not bring in any outside infection. This place is run 5 F hotter and 5% higher RH then the production at the other "place").....The plant structure and all of it's running "traits" did not change at all....In fact I'm getting the same structural "stacking" that I got that first time - with less overall N in the run.

Is it true autos are more prone to doing this? ((Heard someone say that as well))

I did get some ambering of the Skywalker I did for the Mephisto comparative.....but, I don't care for, nor run enough Auto's to make a fair statement on them.....@whitebb2727 Hey white, what have you seen as a grower of auto's (regularly) on this topic? I'am interested too!

Sorry for rambling questions ((just dabbed myself into relax mode))

I fully understand - No prob!