We're breeding out the ambering of trich's in many new strains ?

Dr. Who

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MichiganMedGrower said:
I can answer to the hybrids I grow. I'm high and hanging out too.

If the plant only or mostly shows clear to cloudy like the guides I harvest when the trichs are all cloudy and just a bit degraded.

Degrading trichomes to me look bent down with browning heads maybe starting to look dented as well.

Potent trichomes in this case look tall and have an opaque milky white head that is big and round and full. The stalk will start bending under the weight of the oil.

In plants where I see multi colored trichomes they seem to develop heavily around 50% clear and the rest cloudy or colored transparent.

I wait till exactly the same effect. All cloudy or colored no or very little clear and some cloudy starting to degrade.

And I have been testing this a plant at a time almost every week we harvest one and what I wrote above gives the most complex strongest long lasting high regardless of strain.

Also the colored trichs are no indication of someone's most enjoyable high or stone.

My trippiest strongest plant ever was a Herijuana x Jack 33 and she showed no colored trichs but could give you a giggly for hours high ending in a nice mellow stone.

My second favorite one is a BLT that has tons of colors and has a slightly more even uplifting high than the heri did. But the heri was still more full and potent.

I did not clone the heri unfortunately but I run the BLT now as a staple daytime work kind of weed.

It's a G-13, ECSD, Lemon Thai hybrid.
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I see the same thing in strains that amber heavy or easy.....mid bloom "false" finish (my term) when you get a quick group of amber. It kinda stops and then when the plant is mature....Boom, they come on fast and you have maybe a 3 day window to harvest. After that, degradation is too far!

"Degrading trichomes to me look bent down with browning heads maybe starting to look dented as well."

Now here, I have to say I still don't see any real "browning heads" At least that's what I'm talking about, strain wise in this thread.
I must say I do see a bit of the denting - Nice observation! I'll factor that in and look for it closer in relation to maturity of non-ambering strains......I'll take another look at "sagging or bending" as a point but, looking at notes and drawings....I'm not seeing me take much notice to a "specific" time this begins......You've made start to pay attention to that point though!

Nice 2 cents MI.

UPDATE:

Found a notation about heads appearing to shrink. Then another about how they became full and very milky by plain watering of the last cpl of days leading to harvest.......Be looking at that closer down the road too.
 
Dr. Who

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MichiganMedGrower said:
And here is a Blue Lemon Thai with the foxtail bud structure I believe @Dr. Who mentioned diesel grows like.

BLT has ECSD in it.

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I also forgot to mention that I have not seen a strain with only amber colored trichs without some other colors along with them.

Maybe because of the multi sativa heavy hybrids?

Like Colombian Gold has amber. Panama Red Has red. And Thai has purple. Etc.

Also he breeder of the plants I am showing has never mentioned this. He would have if he was breeding specifically for it.

He just likes old school highs and breeds for them.
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EXACTLY
 
Dr. Who

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MichiganMedGrower said:
You will likely see the transparent colored trichomes on old classic sativa strains like Jack Herrer and lemon Thai.

They are full of colors before any clear trich goes cloudy.

I see them on many plants of Blue Lemon Thai which is basically sour diesel and lemon Thai.

And @Dr. Who i saw them when I used Hortilux Super hps only contrary to the other sites flourescent light only claims and your insistence I need sunlight like spectrum.

But there are more showing now under the 315 LEC. I wonder if it is the uv?
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There's a point. Problem is, I run UV and I'm still seeing a definite "low to no" ambering in the newer more exclusive strains and the uber potent strains...

Colored trichomes......I tend to see that with specific nutrient ratios and with specific temp/RH values to spike uptake...

BUT, I have seen that outdoors in several strains run into real cool weather at night....

I have also seen that in specific strains - the pink and purple anyway. I also agree that when those strains can be harvested while expressing that colored trich, - very trippy buzz!
 
Tangerine_

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Not sure if this is relevant but I had a couple of plants that seemed to have a difficult time ripening (along with foxtails) when I'd watered with a bit of Real Growers Recharge around week 8 of flower on a 9-10 wk strain. This was in ROLS under HPS/MH combo.

I don't think it was the genetics as I'd run this strain before so my "theory" is the Recharge "may have" released some locked-up nutes in my soil very late in flower. It was the first run with fresh soil.

The strain was Petroleum Nightmare and while I haven't noticed any foxtailing since, this one (and a couple other similar genetics) don't seem to go amber at all. They go from clear to milky to the "dented" bent trich stalks mentioned earlier in this thread.

Either way, interesting topic for discussion I'll be following


Side note: The Real Growers Recharge I tested out works well but seems a bit redundant in healthy ROLS
 
SouthCross

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Could it be that with the diminished cycle, latent traits are surfacing? Excessive light is suppressing the ability to continually produce THC into the last functions of the plants life?
 
CannaBruh

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Have an ecsd x c99 at day 40 overall clear with sporadic amber, at 70 it'll be mostly amber I suspect. First run with her.

Both parents are from the "old school" by today's standard
 
CannaBruh

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SouthCross said:
Could it be that with the diminished cycle, latent traits are surfacing? Excessive light is suppressing the ability to continually produce THC into the last functions of the plants life?
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I'm finding that with decreased distance to COB lighting that ambering of trichs happens much sooner than flowers at further distances, at least I've attributed this to distance but done no kinds of testing, only passive observations and thoughts.
 
SouthCross

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The few plants I've tried this on stay milky, even though the rest of the plant is pushed to yellow. 9 hrs total light. No nitrogen. Increased light (closer to the plants)

Currently a GSC.

It's not going amber. Or gold. The rest of the plant screams ripe. The hairs, structure, growth, look. She's in the middle of the 10th week. Struggling for nitrogen. All the fan leaves have gone from a bronze center vein. To bright yellow and curling.

I've given it only General Hydroponics bloom for the last two weeks. 6ml to a gallon.

Now the smaller sugar leaves around the bottom popcorn are turning golden from nitrogen drain.

Still milky white. No clear. No gold or amber. 60x loupe.
 
SouthCross

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It's getting really weird. I'm running this plant close to dry corn stalk death. Damn THC isn't breaking down nor will she stop making it. The traditional method of telling if it's ripe isn't working.

It's messing with my head. This plant needs to be done and it's giving me the finger with the trics.
 
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MichiganMedGrower

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SouthCross said:
It's getting really weird. I'm running this plant close to dry corn stalk death. Damn THC isn't breaking down nor will she stop making it. The traditional method of telling if it's ripe isn't working.

It's messing with my head. This plant needs to be done and it's giving me the finger with the trics.
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And f it's only 10 weeks and here is no transparent but colored trichomes there likely never were any.

All my colorful plants were closer to 12 weeks or longer. It's a sativa thing.

And they we're still green and growing. Faded plants can't produce much.
 
SouthCross

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MichiganMedGrower said:
And f it's only 10 weeks and here is no transparent but colored trichomes there likely never were any.

All my colorful plants were closer to 12 weeks or longer. It's a sativa thing.

And they we're still green and growing. Faded plants can't produce much.
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How many hours did these plants finish at? Was the hairs past 90% complete? Had growth stop? These are a second run through the diminished. Different strain. Seeded included in that run.

Using ripe seeds % as a maturity standard. Comparing the trics of a seeded plant, that went another two weeks longer then the unseeded. Milky. No amber.


It's intriguing.


Made brownies with the seeded plant. It's most excellent.
 
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SouthCross

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I've played with the schedule. 30 mins a week. I use a manual timer that has 4 sliding pegs per hour. I've reduced it in 15min intervals through the week.
 
MichiganMedGrower

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SouthCross said:
How many hours did these plants finish at? Was the hairs past 90% complete? Had growth stop? These are a second run through the diminished. Different strain. Seeded included in that run.

Using ripe seeds % as a maturity standard. Comparing the trics of a seeded plant, that went another two weeks longer then the unseeded. Milky. No amber.


It's intriguing.


Made brownies with the seeded plant. It's most excellent.
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I always keep 12/12 in flower.

The hairs were 90% or more receded. Only a few white stray hairs at harvest.

Showed colored clear and cloudy at 9.5 weeks. Kept growing and stacking and making more trichomes right through to 12.5 weeks.

The still stress I have not let them go long enough but after 12 weeks they tend to throw nanners the sativa heavy strains.
 
Dr. Who

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SouthCross said:
Could it be that with the diminished cycle, latent traits are surfacing? Excessive light is suppressing the ability to continually produce THC into the last functions of the plants life?
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I was going to start a new thread of a "part" of what I'm about to say.....look for that in a few days in the advanced section.

I disagree......I still find continuing THC production in later bloom. I mean, it's simple to point out that the later you harvest. The more D9 (unless you go too long)...CBD seems to develop later, along with other known changes in the cannabinoid profiles!

I heard a rather interesting "thing" about D8 & D9 and CBD being affected by specific micro nutrient manipulation. I searched and searched and could not find online info on this theory.

Began testing with the compounds they mentioned.....It does have an increase effect in a usable way! This seems to be happening in later bloom.. I began wondering about if this is how some are getting stupid high THC expression. The thing being is that the soil levels of the compound that effects the THC concentrations, is critical. The natural soil levels of this compound very across the country......anyway, more on this later......
 
Dr. Who

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SouthCross said:
It's getting really weird. I'm running this plant close to dry corn stalk death. Damn THC isn't breaking down nor will she stop making it. The traditional method of telling if it's ripe isn't working.

It's messing with my head. This plant needs to be done and it's giving me the finger with the trics.
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Exactly the thing I'm talking about.
Increased or continued N for "green til done" makes no difference....

Cookies is one of those that didn't in my gardens either.
 
MichiganMedGrower

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Dr. Who said:
I was going to start a new thread of a "part" of what I'm about to say.....look for that in a few days in the advanced section.

I disagree......I still find continuing THC production in later bloom. I mean, it's simple to point out that the later you harvest. The more D9 (unless you go too long)...CBD seems to develop later, along with other known changes in the cannabinoid profiles!

I heard a rather interesting "thing" about D8 & D9 and CBD being affected by specific micro nutrient manipulation. I searched and searched and could not find online info on this theory.

Began testing with the compounds they mentioned.....It does have an increase effect in a usable way! This seems to be happening in later bloom.. I began wondering about if this is how some are getting stupid high THC expression. The thing being is that the soil levels of the compound that effects the THC concentrations, is critical. The natural soil levels of this compound very across the country......anyway, more on this later......
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I have an article in a dispensary mag somewhere that refers to micros being responsible for producing more of certain canabanoids.

I will look for it. It mentions a study. I think it said manganese is responsible for increasing thc or cbd. Can't remember which.

Is this heading in the direction you hint at?
 
Dr. Who

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MichiganMedGrower said:
I have an article in a dispensary mag somewhere that refers to micros being responsible for producing more of certain canabanoids.

I will look for it. It mentions a study. I think it said manganese is responsible for increasing thc or cbd. Can't remember which.

Is this heading in the direction you hint at?
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Yup......Mn for more D9 and Ir for more CBD in later bloom.
The basic gist is some higher counts but higher D9 final levels.....there are stories of Mn making potential levels easier to reach. It makes sense as I have noticed higher final levels with a cpl of things being used in my soil builds.....

While I'm not a big fan of Dolomite lime - "due to the higher Mg levels" (you get plenty of Mg in built soils from much of the other things used to make it). Dolo does have a higher available Mn value too. The other source (and the one used in the things I'm hearing about) is Mn sulfate.
Small amendment at the soil build (or supp your bag soil) and it lasts a year in the soil at "usable" delivery levels.

Very small amounts are supplemented into the soil and not in feeding.....The Ir thing - looking for research out of Israel on that.
 
SouthCross

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Dr. Who said:
Exactly the thing I'm talking about.
Increased or continued N for "green til done" makes no difference....

Cookies is one of those that didn't in my gardens either.
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I'm noticing that. The last plants were loaded up with nitrogen till cut. I'm trying to subtly kill the current plant. Tomorrow is water day. She'll get the same 6ml of GH bloom (0-5-4).

77 days in flower. 11 weeks. Observed this morning at different sites all over the plant. Milk.

You can see the division within the tric head. Solid white floating on top of clear. Standing tall and bulbous.

Why isn't this plant dead yet?....
 
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