What is GH's KoolBloom powder and liquid nutrients for?

TheChemist77

TheChemist77

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i grow sea of green so my cuttings only veg for 2 weeks,, i take 7-8 inch cuts, once rooted they go in cubes to veg,, by 2 weeks of veg they are near 1ft tall,,then go to bloom,, they double to triple in hight in the first 3 weeks of bloom so my plants top out around 3ft tall.. in a basement w/ a 7ft ceiling height,, the table is 20inches above the floor so the 50 gallon rez fits snug beneith,, i try to keep my lamps 2n a half to 3ft above canopy,,by the time my plants are 3ft tall my lights are as high as i can get them around 2n half ft above canopy..if plants get taller i try to gently bend them and tie w string w/out breaking or topping.. if plants are looking like theyll be over a ft tall in veg i top them a week before they go to bloom so they can recover from the top.. some clones get topped as soon as they root and go into cubes,,depends on the strain and if it likes multiple tops,, some strains grow huge main colas,others can grow huge multiple topps,,its all how the strain goes... heavy sativa plants require only 1 week or even no veg time,, like silver haze, or sweet island skunk can go straight from rooted clone to bloom,, veg them at all and they will hit the ceiling...
 
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Niblixdark

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Wow that was quite the read. Throw some paragraphs in there for my poor eyes lol I see how you run your rooms.

If that's how you know how to maximize your space and get your tickets then have at her lol. Sounds like a great setup !
 
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Niblixdark

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mod37 said:
So you only veg for 3 weeks and


So you only veg for 3 weeks and flower for 6 then flush. Boy I am way longer lol. Might be my problem. And hay I live in Colorado no way am I any competition so what you tell me is our Secret I am just trying to grow the sexiest dam trees I can and with all of your help. I might just get their. Thanks for the schedule. Same stuff I use but not as much ml. Think I am going to try next round. I am in week 6 now I am going to week 8 then flush. So hay if you had a 25 gal res how much of each would you put in then in week 6 how much bloom would you add. Do you stop using liquid bloom and only use powder. Thanks for your help. Happy growing.
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No nono lol its a chart for general purpose. I veg for as long as I wish. Sometimes 4 weeks or 8, depends on rooms and timing. For flowering you can keep using week 5 for subsequent weeks for longer flowering varieties.

Ahh yes boosters lol

Well let's put it this way ..

If you take grow bloom and micro and need to add kool bloom dry .. at the end or want too, you need to reduce the base nutes.

Soo.

For each nute bottle and the amount needed at that week for base you would take 20% off each amount required per gallon of nutes.

Then add in Koolbloom dry at full strength. This is an example. Your situation you might need to say take 25% away from each base nutes before adding your boosters.

If you use your base nutes full amount for week 6 you can't use koolbloom because it would be too much nutes and ppm would be sky-high.

So reduce it and add your dry bloom so your ppm is still the same or slightly higher. (PPM meter required)

For a mid bloom boost you would do the same thing.

Base nutes are base

Boosters boost

But base nutes must be reduced to utilize boosters. Or Satan burns your shat.

You can grow big buds with boosters alone.

Or

You can grow massive buds with boosters along with a good base nutrient.
(Get a dehumidifier)

Anyone who uses my chart from earlier will see very excellent growth in thier plants. I dare anyone to try it.
 
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mod37

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TheChemist77 said:
i grow sea of green so my cuttings only veg for 2 weeks,, i take 7-8 inch cuts, once rooted they go in cubes to veg,, by 2 weeks of veg they are near 1ft tall,,then go to bloom,, they double to triple in hight in the first 3 weeks of bloom so my plants top out around 3ft tall.. in a basement w/ a 7ft ceiling height,, the table is 20inches above the floor so the 50 gallon rez fits snug beneith,, i try to keep my lamps 2n a half to 3ft above canopy,,by the time my plants are 3ft tall my lights are as high as i can get them around 2n half ft above canopy..if plants get taller i try to gently bend them and tie w string w/out breaking or topping.. if plants are looking like theyll be over a ft tall in veg i top them a week before they go to bloom so they can recover from the top.. some clones get topped as soon as they root and go into cubes,,depends on the strain and if it likes multiple tops,, some strains grow huge main colas,others can grow huge multiple topps,,its all how the strain goes... heavy sativa plants require only 1 week or even no veg time,, like silver haze, or sweet island skunk can go straight from rooted clone to bloom,, veg them at all and they will hit the ceiling...
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How zit 77. Thanks bro you are a wealth of pure info. Ok so this is typically what I grow sweet island skunk/ pine apple. Juicy fruit. Blue berry. Northern light. So what kind of strain are these. And boy I am way over vegging. Lol anyways. So when I clone it takes about 14 days and then I put them in small cubes and into 6x6 cubes. Then in veg. And have been veg for 4 weeks no wonder the hit the ceiling lol. So only veg for 2 weeks that sounds good to me. Any ways you look at it your steering me in the right direction. Thanks. So you don't top in veg I thought that was good for the plant and gives more sprouts for colas. I try to trim befor flower too. What do you think. Thanks new for all the help. Happy growing ✌ Oh I see so you raise and lower your light. I keep them the same height all the way to the ceiling lol✌
 
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mod37

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Niblixdark said:
No nono lol its a chart for general purpose. I veg for as long as I wish. Sometimes 4 weeks or 8, depends on rooms and timing. For flowering you can keep using week 5 for subsequent weeks for longer flowering varieties.

Ahh yes boosters lol

Well let's put it this way ..

If you take grow bloom and micro and need to add kool bloom dry .. at the end or want too, you need to reduce the base nutes.

Soo.

For each nute bottle and the amount needed at that week for base you would take 20% off each amount required per gallon of nutes.

Then add in Koolbloom dry at full strength. This is an example. Your situation you might need to say take 25% away from each base nutes before adding your boosters.

If you use your base nutes full amount for week 6 you can't use koolbloom because it would be too much nutes and ppm would be sky-high.

So reduce it and add your dry bloom so your ppm is still the same or slightly higher. (PPM meter required)

For a mid bloom boost you would do the same thing.

Base nutes are base

Boosters boost

But base nutes must be reduced to utilize boosters. Or Satan burns your shat.

You can grow big buds with boosters alone.

Or

You can grow massive buds with boosters along with a good base nutrient.
(Get a dehumidifier)

Anyone who uses my chart from earlier will see very excellent growth in thier plants. I dare anyone to try it.
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Thank you bro. You put that very clearly and I understand now. So try 25 % off the then if that is too high try 20 got it. Or lower lol. So I thought I might be veging too long think I will try to get them in to flower sooner maybe 10 in high. Or 2 weeks. Don't think I need a dehumidifier my room stays about 25%. Thanks rk. Happy growing ✌
 
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mod37

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mod37 said:
Thank you bro. You put that very clearly and I understand now. So try 25 % off the then if that is too high try 20 got it. Or lower lol. So I thought I might be veging too long think I will try to get them in to flower sooner maybe 10 in high. Or 2 weeks. Don't think I need a dehumidifier my room stays about 25%. Thanks rk. Happy growing ✌
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And yes I do have a ppm and ph gage lol. ✌
 
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mod37

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Niblixdark said:
Wow that was quite the read. Throw some paragraphs in there for my poor eyes lol I see how you run your rooms.

If that's how you know how to maximize your space and get your tickets then have at her lol. Sounds like a great setup !
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Thanks. I try to use all me rooms to help each other.
Any ways if you know what I can do better please help.
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Niblixdark

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mod37 said:
Thank you bro. You put that very clearly and I understand now. So try 25 % off the then if that is too high try 20 got it. Or lower lol. So I thought I might be veging too long think I will try to get them in to flower sooner maybe 10 in high. Or 2 weeks. Don't think I need a dehumidifier my room stays about 25%. Thanks rk. Happy growing ✌
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Just to reassure

Let's say I need 20ml per gallon of bloom and have 15 Gallons capacity.

Example:

That means 20ml x 15G = 300 ml
Now take away 25% = 240 ml
Now add in Koolbloom full strength.

ALWAYS mix "Micro" first into the water then the rest after.

For test purposes use a gallon only to find your own ratios. Try not to get too stoned when you do this important math for your girls and make certain your PPM meter is calibrated.

Also when you take away % it could very well be 20% or 30% or more. You just need to find the right PPM level.
 
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mod37

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Niblixdark said:
Just to reassure

Let's say I need 20ml per gallon of bloom and have 15 Gallons capacity.

Example:

That means 20ml x 15G = 300 ml
Now take away 25% = 240 ml
Now add in Koolbloom full strength.

ALWAYS mix "Micro" first into the water then the rest after.

For test purposes use a gallon only to find your own ratios. Try not to get too stoned when you do this important math for your girls and make certain your PPM meter is calibrated.

Also when you take away % it could very well be 20% or 30% or more. You just need to find the right PPM level.
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Ok rk thanks buddy I will let you know sat after the water change.
Kinda nervous but I think I can do it lol and I don't smoke. I just do this for some old army buddy's and some family members that use it for meds.
Thanks again. Happy growing✌
 
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mod37

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Oh and by the way. So let say my ppm is going over 1400. How do I get it to come down. I know up and down on ph but what about ppm.✌
 
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Niblixdark

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mod37 said:
Oh and by the way. So let say my ppm is going over 1400. How do I get it to come down. I know up and down on ph but what about ppm.✌
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The plant eats and ppm changes, just keep the pH steady and add water over the week and adjust pH. If you mixed it to strong start over again.
 
TheChemist77

TheChemist77

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mod37 said:
How zit 77. Thanks bro you are a wealth of pure info. Ok so this is typically what I grow sweet island skunk/ pine apple. Juicy fruit. Blue berry. Northern light. So what kind of strain are these. And boy I am way over vegging. Lol anyways. So when I clone it takes about 14 days and then I put them in small cubes and into 6x6 cubes. Then in veg. And have been veg for 4 weeks no wonder the hit the ceiling lol. So only veg for 2 weeks that sounds good to me. Any ways you look at it your steering me in the right direction. Thanks. So you don't top in veg I thought that was good for the plant and gives more sprouts for colas. I try to trim befor flower too. What do you think. Thanks new for all the help. Happy growing ✌ Oh I see so you raise and lower your light. I keep them the same height all the way to the ceiling lol✌
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no,, i only top or trim in veg,,, if u top,,, the plant needs time to recover before putting it in bloom.. id say at least a week of recovery for any topping.. so if i top its either as soon as the plant is rooted then veg for 1-2 weeks or after 1 week of veg,,,top,, then give it another week of veg to recover..
once in bloom i try not to remove anything,,, exept lower leaves that are no longer usefull or big fans that block light,,however i prefer to just bend or tuck big leaves rather than clip if possible...

blue berry and northern lights are indica dominant strains,,2 weeks of veg should get sizable plants..
island sweet skunk sativa dominant u may be able to bloom rooted clones or veg 1 week max,,,if u top i suggest topping as soon as they root then veg 1 week.. if u dont top bloom rooted clones,, sativa's usually stretch more in bloom,, sometimes trippling it height,, indicas may double in height..however it depends on strain.. i grew durban poison pure sativa but it grows very much like an indica, it did not stretch much, and finished in 7 weeks..
sativa's usually need more time to bloom,, so u make up the time w/ less veg
if i was running i.s. skunk and northern lights,, as soon as clones are rooted the skunks would go to bloom wile the nl's stay in veg for a week or so..then put in bloom so in 8 weeks the nl is finished wile the skunks are finished as they have been blooming for 9 weeks...
 
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mod37

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TheChemist77 said:
no,, i only top or trim in veg,,, if u top,,, the plant needs time to recover before putting it in bloom.. id say at least a week of recovery for any topping.. so if i top its either as soon as the plant is rooted then veg for 1-2 weeks or after 1 week of veg,,,top,, then give it another week of veg to recover..
once in bloom i try not to remove anything,,, exept lower leaves that are no longer usefull or big fans that block light,,however i prefer to just bend or tuck big leaves rather than clip if possible...

blue berry and northern lights are indica dominant strains,,2 weeks of veg should get sizable plants..
island sweet skunk sativa dominant u may be able to bloom rooted clones or veg 1 week max,,,if u top i suggest topping as soon as they root then veg 1 week.. if u dont top bloom rooted clones,, sativa's usually stretch more in bloom,, sometimes trippling it height,, indicas may double in height..however it depends on strain.. i grew durban poison pure sativa but it grows very much like an indica, it did not stretch much, and finished in 7 weeks..
sativa's usually need more time to bloom,, so u make up the time w/ less veg
if i was running i.s. skunk and northern lights,, as soon as clones are rooted the skunks would go to bloom wile the nl's stay in veg for a week or so..then put in bloom so in 8 weeks the nl is finished wile the skunks are finished as they have been blooming for 9 weeks...
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How zit 77. Thanks that has put a hole new light on things what about pineapple and juicy fruit what are thy. I am thinking pineapple is a sati a it growed like iss. I wish their were a site that gave all the trees names lol and what thy were. Anyways thanks that was a big help. Happy growing.✌
 
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mod37

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Niblixdark said:
The plant eats and ppm changes, just keep the pH steady and add water over the week and adjust pH. If you mixed it to strong start over again.
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Got it so if it goes to 2000 after it is been in a couple of days it goes up naturally. Ok that's what I have been doing and my trees are looking great nice and very green. Just don't want to f up lol. Thanks again. ✌
 
Rahz

Rahz

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Maxigrow and Maxibloom 50/50 will produce a 99:58:154 ppm ratio at 2.5g each. At flower set I switch to 33/66 (2g/4g) and that produces a 105:80:185 ppm ratio.

I don't see the point in using Maxibloom alone through most of flower, much less using a PK booster, but I've never felt the need to run TDS over 1000 ppm. Towards the end it might be good to lower N. 6g Maxibloom and no Maxigrow provides 80:104:184. If lowering N further was desired then it would be useful to cut out some Maxibloom and sub in some PK.

But if someone wants to run over 1000 ppm, a PK booster will be useful to raise PK without increasing N levels beyond 100.
 
Rahz

Rahz

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HiGHLiFE28 said:
I use MaxiGro and MaxiBloom but KoolBloom is the third stage or does it subsitute MaxiBloom? Who knows this?
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An answer in line with GH suggestions is to look at the feed charts. They want you to run 1.5 tsp Maxibloom with 1ml liquid Koolbloom per gallon during flower until the week before flush at which point it switches to 1/2 tsp Maxibloom and 1/2 tsp Dry Koolbloom.
 
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chronicals77 said:
Your welcome, if your growing soil or coco you may even want to do a light flush of the soil with plain ph'd water to rinse some of the heavy nutes out. Wait for signs of recovery before heavy feeding again.
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I've never seen such an idiot. You sound.like a fool you don't even have a basic understanding of plant chemistry.
 
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