What makes plants go to seed?

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AlbinoMan887

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Hello,

First off i would like to say thanks to all the people who contribute information to this website because of this site and all the info i rarely have to post because i can come to my own conclusions.

Well here is the story

I have 3 strains 2 plains of each and they are staggered 2 weeks apart, the strains are Achorn, Pez and Derbon Poison Cross with Skunk #! (DPxSK for short)

About 3 weeks into flowering i devoloped a ph problem and didnt know what is was for about another 2 to 3 weeks, i then corrected it with lime but the achorn plants never completely recovered from the issue so their growth was a little slower then usual (remember this is my 2nd grow, the first one was all achorn and they grew way bigger)

NOTE: Forgot about this all these are clones, achorn started from a seed pez from a clone from a buddy and DPxSK from gypsy nirvana

Well not last friday but the one before that (So 10 days ago) I harvested the Achorn Plants and found a shitload of useless seeds (white not black seeds) some were premi too, Well then today i cut down one of the Pez and i found SOME seeds in smaller buds but not many at all compared to the achorn - The achorn bud i pulled like 30 seeds from a 1.7 g bud, the Pez i got like 7 seeds from a .4 g bud but the rest i have curing (only curing one branch rest is still just haining) have no seeds i can find. And the thing i noticed is when the PH thing happened the Pez never got as bad as the achorn and recovered WAY faster, cuz think about those achorn were 2 weeks older so they had hte PH prob 2 weeks longer then the Pez

So could the PH problem have shocked the plants into going to seed? i haven't looked TOO closely but i don't think it went hermie still looks like female sex glands.

Well in the last couple days i've been thinking, So i went down in my room at night and noticed that in all four corners of the celling there is light leaking in from the upstars room (Veg Room 18/6) And then sure enough i looked at one ofh te DPxSK and there was a stray bud growing out from under the hood and pointing RIGHT at one of the corners with light leaking through - P.S. it was light enough for me to see my hand in front of my face. Well i took care of that, but i don't know if that was the problem because that would make the plant actually hermie right? which i dont think it did,

THEN THE SCARY THEORY

I have a friend Bob, who i got the achorn strain from, well i bought bud from bob and it had seeds in it and i grew a seed from that bag, it grew a nice big ass healthy plant, (I had a half oz cola bud) and everything was going good, well i decided to let bob check it out, since he grows bud too and he came and checked the plant out, well shortly after that time i started getting seeds so i'm wondering if his room has pollen in it and thats why his bud had seeds and then he came in my room and polinated my room basically, but i dont know if this is the case cuz it could also be the light issue because at the time i was constantly re modeling in my room, it was like a W.I.P, so those light leaks could have happened anytime.

I just want some opinions from the experts,

Thanks

AlbinoMan

P.S. I can get pics if needed
 
psyclone

psyclone

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Too many variables. Let this one go. Smoke what you get, and tighten things up for next time.
I had one seed in my last grow. God knows where from, but it was Female and is the best plant I have, so it isn't all bad.
In fact I regret culling the males so ruthlessly. I should have kept one separately.
I would like a little seed bank.
 
david6767

david6767

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could have been either really.

yes, if there was an ingress of light into the grow room during the dark period then one or more of the plants may have turned hermie and pollenated the others.

and yes, it could well have been Bob, if he had male pollen on his clothes, which was carried into your grow room fertilising your plants.

best to keep a close eye on females all the way through the flowering period and have half an eye out for male flowers among the buds, if you do find male pods on any of them then remove them from the grow room immediately.

good luck.
 
joepro

joepro

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david6767 said:
could have been either really.

yes, if there was an ingress of light into the grow room during the dark period then one or more of the plants may have turned hermie
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Ive never accepted that thought as a rule of thumb....
Wouldnt all outdoor cannabis be hermy then?
-since the moon is only reflecting sun light never giving total darkness.
am I wrong?
I sure the subject has be brought up before and explained..
 
david6767

david6767

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from what i've read moonlight is not strong enough to induce photosynthesis, or induce the growth of flowering hormones that build up during the sark period and act as the plants timer to start flowering. (i.e. when the amount of hormone produced in dark exceeds the rate at which the same hormone is broken down under sunlight, the plant will flower.
 
crazy-mental

crazy-mental

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AlbinoMan887 said:
Hello,

First off i would like to say thanks to all the people who contribute information to this website because of this site and all the info i rarely have to post because i can come to my own conclusions.

Well here is the story

I have 3 strains 2 plains of each and they are staggered 2 weeks apart, the strains are Achorn, Pez and Derbon Poison Cross with Skunk #! (DPxSK for short)

About 3 weeks into flowering i devoloped a ph problem and didnt know what is was for about another 2 to 3 weeks, i then corrected it with lime but the achorn plants never completely recovered from the issue so their growth was a little slower then usual (remember this is my 2nd grow, the first one was all achorn and they grew way bigger)

NOTE: Forgot about this all these are clones, achorn started from a seed pez from a clone from a buddy and DPxSK from gypsy nirvana

Well not last friday but the one before that (So 10 days ago) I harvested the Achorn Plants and found a shitload of useless seeds (white not black seeds) some were premi too, Well then today i cut down one of the Pez and i found SOME seeds in smaller buds but not many at all compared to the achorn - The achorn bud i pulled like 30 seeds from a 1.7 g bud, the Pez i got like 7 seeds from a .4 g bud but the rest i have curing (only curing one branch rest is still just haining) have no seeds i can find. And the thing i noticed is when the PH thing happened the Pez never got as bad as the achorn and recovered WAY faster, cuz think about those achorn were 2 weeks older so they had hte PH prob 2 weeks longer then the Pez

So could the PH problem have shocked the plants into going to seed? i haven't looked TOO closely but i don't think it went hermie still looks like female sex glands.

Well in the last couple days i've been thinking, So i went down in my room at night and noticed that in all four corners of the celling there is light leaking in from the upstars room (Veg Room 18/6) And then sure enough i looked at one ofh te DPxSK and there was a stray bud growing out from under the hood and pointing RIGHT at one of the corners with light leaking through - P.S. it was light enough for me to see my hand in front of my face. Well i took care of that, but i don't know if that was the problem because that would make the plant actually hermie right? which i dont think it did,

THEN THE SCARY THEORY

I have a friend Bob, who i got the achorn strain from, well i bought bud from bob and it had seeds in it and i grew a seed from that bag, it grew a nice big ass healthy plant, (I had a half oz cola bud) and everything was going good, well i decided to let bob check it out, since he grows bud too and he came and checked the plant out, well shortly after that time i started getting seeds so i'm wondering if his room has pollen in it and thats why his bud had seeds and then he came in my room and polinated my room basically, but i dont know if this is the case cuz it could also be the light issue because at the time i was constantly re modeling in my room, it was like a W.I.P, so those light leaks could have happened anytime.

I just want some opinions from the experts,

Thanks

AlbinoMan

P.S. I can get pics if needed
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pics would be good.
i think your grow went hermie, or 1 plant was and sent the rest like a male would.
like somone said dont worry about it and better luck next grow.
the clone you got could have been hermie?.
take it you had no males?.
did you use fem seeds.
try not to smoke the smaller unformed seeds, they will give you an headace.
if you plant the seeds.
half will be female, and half male or hermie.
i would say dont grow them cos hermies are hard to spot grown from seed.
plants go hermie, due to stress and bad timing.
12/12 means 12/12 other wise you will have probs.
have you got a timer?.
anyway would like to see the pics
 
joepro

joepro

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david6767 said:
from what i've read moonlight is not strong enough to induce photosynthesis, or induce the growth of flowering hormones that build up during the sark period and act as the plants timer to start flowering. (i.e. when the amount of hormone produced in dark exceeds the rate at which the same hormone is broken down under sunlight, the plant will flower.
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so moon light isnt strong enough to induce photosynthesis, but a crack of light from a house hold bulb comming in from under the door jam is enough?

I'm just learning as I go, so don't flame me.
:peace::joint:
 
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AlbinoMan887

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Thanks for all the replys, i'll get pics when i go to water today, its not a household light thats oming in its a 1000W MH From the upstairs grow room that has all the vegging plants, this is in a finished shack in my yard not in my home, Yes i have a timer but its a real shitty one from local hardware store, it has those peg things you move to a certin time and then rotate the wheel to set current time and let it go only thing is its not completely accurate (i.e if i set it to on at 12 pm off at 12 am it like turns on anywhere between 12:08 and 12:20 and off between 11:45 and 12:15, is this a problem? Oh it should be noted that my very first grow with a 1000W MH in the same room just in the downstairs only with 1 plant grew fine with no seeds whatsoever

Oh and what exactly you want pics of, the sex gands right?
 
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AlbinoMan887

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K back from graden, got pics but a lot of them are blurry, i noticed some werid things in the buds today actually, look liked seeds but they dont feel like em they seem like pollen sacks! i can post those picks although somewhat blurry but the ones of the sex glands are almost unrecognizable ,. what ya think?
 
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AlbinoMan887

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All the other pics look like shit even the ones of my buds because of the HPS i need to pull them out from under the hood i'll do that tomorrow but for fun, heres pics of my setup









i had more but image shack is being werid so here ya go

Note theres also an upstairs with a 1000W MH, but i'm gong to move that downstairs and use CFLs upstairs (a lot lol) so i have more power for budding, the room is 10ftx10ft both upstairs and down ladder is to the right of you when you walk in plants are in front of you (left justified) and right side is reserved for water nutriants the radio lol etc

back on topic, i'll have pics of the werid buds next time i go to the grow room
 
david6767

david6767

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nice grow set up my friend - well done indeed.

what i would do to have a grow room with that much space and two floors, you are a very lucky man!lol.

what are the walls and canopy made out of, foil or mylar (can't tell 100% but looks like foil)?
do you use a light rail to move the lights at all?
cannot see any ducting etc., how do you vent and cool the grow space?

cheers
 
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AlbinoMan887

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Used foil for the hood but mylar for the walls (maylar would have melted on the hood) i don't use a light rail but i'm going to be moving my ballast from upstairs to downstairs so i'll have another light to the right of that one, so the whole downstairs will be filled (upstairs will be CFLs) as for ventalation because its winter right now it doesnt get that hot in there, I have some PC Fans for Venting Out and circulation (2 vent out 2 send air to up top) but as summer comes around i will be adding WAY more ducting,

Also no i didn't try the camera on macro, what setting is that?
 
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