Which brands have a the best chemdawg-dog representations, or versions.

morgwar

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topdawg tres= chemdawg
og kush comes from the Kush mountains region, just an afghan kush, nothing more.
check lineages here http://en.seedfinder.eu/strain-info/Under_Dawg/Top_Dawg_Seeds
plant a thousand afghan kush and likely will see all kinds of favs, like cherry, orange, sour, lemon


HSO Chemdog is Chem "91, not Chem4, I think.
Cool thanks for the heads up on kush, I'm not knocking it but I don't want kush in my chem unless I put it there.
I will be adding a kush to my libray, but only as a rep from the kush family.
I could start a kush thread when that time comes.
I heard hso has 91 but the recent chemdog from them is chem d according to the website.
 

morgwar

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Check out Insane Seed Posse
Just checked some of thier stuff out,
All looks like crosses with afghan.
Not much of an icp fan, now if Zack wyld came out with a strain or Corey Taylor from Slipknot......
Lots of people have afghan crosses, but that can't be chemdawg by my reasoning
 

chemphlegm

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Cool thanks for the heads up on kush, I'm not knocking it but I don't want kush in my chem unless I put it there.

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what? what exactly do you think Chemdog is?
you are over thinking it, just take the plunge. the only thing making chemdog any better is when its married to another indica type elite kush's like ghost og, 818, la, etc. check out a Punnets Square to learn how these marriages take place, how they choose pheno's to continue isolating desired terpene profiles.

chemdog is an indica likely afghani, married with thai/nepali possibly, I'll know soon when the dna strips arrive.

"
At a Grateful Dead show at Deer Creek Amphitheatre, joebrand (aka wonkanobe) and pbud met chemdog and sold him an ounce of very high quality pot for $500. Joe and Chemdog exchanged numbers and they later arranged for two ounces to be shipped to chemdog on the east coast. According to chemdog, one ounce was seedless and the other had 13 seeds.

In ’91, chemdog popped the first 4 seeds. From these seeds, one male was found and disposed of (chemdog was young, you can’t blame him). The 3 females were labeled "chemdawg" (now '91 chemdawg), "chemdawg a" (now chemdawg's sister), and "chemdawg b". In 2001, chemdog and his girlfriend attempted to germ 3 more seeds, labeled "c", "d", and "e". the "e" seed never germinated, "c" turned out to be junk (according to chemdog), and chemdawg "d" was the keeper. In 2006, chemdog and joebrand reunited and joe was given 4 of the last 6 beans: Chemdawg phenos 1-4, "4" being the chosen keeper. Joe thought the "4" was the best representation of the original and thus dubbed it the "reunion pheno". Chemdog still has two seeds left in his stash." http://en.seedfinder.eu/strain-info/Chem_Dawg/Unknown_or_Legendary/
 

morgwar

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this, from their web today, both chems they offer https://www.humboldtseeds.net/en/buy-cannabis-seeds/chemdawg/

"Chemdawg is a cannabis seed that stems from the original line devised by its creator, as it is the result of the original Chem 91 elite clone."

please link me to the site saying its chem d ?
thanks

Sorry it wasn't d it's chem 4

https://www.humboldtseeds.net/en/blog/hso-chemdawg4/

1/3 of the page down.

Humboldt seeds is proud to present our Chemdawg #4. This along with our Chemdawg ’91 and the Chemdawg D have their own unique traits. The Chemdawg #4 has rapid vegetative growth with the expressions leaning towards the sativa parentage. Known for vigorous foliage development and deep forest green hues, the infrastructure is supported by long inter-nodal spacing. Though tall and lanky in stature, Chemdawg remains indica dominant.
 

Dr. Who

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Topdawg got me covered on the 91 cut,

Chem 91 IX = Chem 91 bx (F) x Chem 91 bx (M)
The chem d looks okay but I'm not convinced on tres dawg, purely my ignorance but need to research.

Chem 91 is gonna shake things up if I can get ahold of it.

So here's the description off SeedB of verdant greens experiment.

"The classic elite clone Chem D crossed with a selected male from rez's C4D that smelt strongly of Chem D. C4D was the Chem 4 cut crossed with rez's Chem D ibl male - so this should come out like a Chem D back-cross with Chem 4 as the outcross! The test grows are showing healthy, very high yielding plants that reek of Chem and diesel and which look to go around 10-11 weeks. None of the Chem D clone's leaf streak trait has appeared in the 3 Females from the test grow."


So from what I'm reading this guy is working with resevoir seeds "ibl" chemdawg d. Now we all know an ibl is farfetched but it sounds like the guy was at least trying for a pure chemdawg of some sort.
Can't really bash on HSO they're only brokered through Europe and the humboldt genetics are pretty clean.
I've heard they're chem 4 is legit
Thanks on topdawg now it's time to raise funds and shop.

I need verdant greens mutant,
I need topdawg chem 91
Ive got hso (and from the stink of these veggers it looks pretty much like every chem 4 I've seen on here)

Does Anybody Know THE Deal WITH THE Kush? Was it one of the original chem phenos?

To be honest I've never tried kush, lol
Chem himself said that Arjan at Greenhouse had a real chem 91. That was years ago and I haven't tried it (the chem feminized he sells) It looks like the proper structure. That's all I can say there.
HSO's chem 4 is less then my 91 cut in most ways - including potency.
Dr. Greenthumbs chem 4 is very nice and a far better version of the #4 cut. I lost it last year in a "cop infestation". I'm not planing on retrieving it for awhile as I have other things to try first.

Right now, Matt Riot has giesel S1's for sale (not cheap and limited amount available). This is directly from chem and it's chem's last link to the old dog's. They've worked together on some fine cross's with that there. The So Cal Super Skunk was a project to attempt to bring back "dog". I got that and it's Giesel X White Dawg. Great trich production.

The topdawg has chems versions too. Those maybe the best available. There are a cpl of other places I might check on SHN for some good genetics in what your looking for. Thing is, SHN is down till like 3:00 o'clock EST for repairs....I would check them later. Topdawg is there too....I'm guessing you know of the site I speak of?

This is the 91 I have, direct from a cut and over 13 years in my possession.

Pic's were taken yesterday at 11:59 am

Pure, untouched Chem 91
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morgwar

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Chem himself said that Arjan at Greenhouse had a real chem 91. That was years ago and I haven't tried it (the chem feminized he sells) It looks like the proper structure. That's all I can say there.
HSO's chem 4 is less then my 91 cut in most ways - including potency.
Dr. Greenthumbs chem 4 is very nice and a far better version of the #4 cut. I lost it last year in a "cop infestation". I'm not planing on retrieving it for awhile as I have other things to try first.

Right now, Matt Riot has giesel S1's for sale (not cheap and limited amount available). This is directly from chem and it's chem's last link to the old dog's. They've worked together on some fine cross's with that there. The So Cal Super Skunk was a project to attempt to bring back "dog". I got that and it's Giesel X White Dawg. Great trich production.

The topdawg has chems versions too. Those maybe the best available. There are a cpl of other places I might check on SHN for some good genetics in what your looking for. Thing is, SHN is down till like 3:00 o'clock EST for repairs....I would check them later. Topdawg is there too....I'm guessing you know of the site I speak of?

This is the 91 I have, direct from a cut and over 13 years in my possession.

Pic's were taken yesterday at 11:59 am

Pure, untouched Chem 91
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First of all... that is a fine specimen indeed and 13 years wow.
So.. that looks like YOUR chemdawg
Beautiful, you found her and kept her 13 years kudos I wish I knew how to give reps, because you deserve em.
I'm waiting on SHN too.
I've been looking at greenhouse and greenthumb still researching but they've got a lot of people vouching for em.
I'd kill for some Matt riot stuff but I'm new to this and don't know how to order.
Thanks man that info is top notch and whatever you do don't lose that 91.
I really want to make my own heirloom chem, but who knows I might find one that hits the bullseye as is.
 

Dr. Who

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topdawg tres= chemdawg
og kush comes from the Kush mountains region, just an afghan kush, nothing more.
check lineages here http://en.seedfinder.eu/strain-info/Under_Dawg/Top_Dawg_Seeds
plant a thousand afghan kush and likely will see all kinds of favs, like cherry, orange, sour, lemon


HSO Chemdog is Chem "91, not Chem4, I think.
WRONG! It is not an afgani strain! OG kush was a breeding project to control PM in coastal area's on the west coast. Ghost cut OG was the first result of that project - BAD ASS strain! Orgn Kid is the "KING" of OG = draw conclusions from that.....

HSO's 4 is - #4 pheno genetic's

Stay away from anything Cali Connection...Long story behind that but, lets just say the guys involved had a big argument over the breeding practice and quality of the dog lines....SFV was pissed off..
 

Dr. Who

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First of all... that is a fine specimen indeed and 13 years wow.
So.. that looks like YOUR chemdawg
Beautiful, you found her and kept her 13 years kudos I wish I knew how to give reps, because you deserve em.
I'm waiting on SHN too.
I've been looking at greenhouse and greenthumb still researching but they've got a lot of people vouching for em.
I'd kill for some Matt riot stuff but I'm new to this and don't know how to order.
Thanks man that info is top notch and whatever you do don't lose that 91.
I really want to make my own heirloom chem, but who knows I might find one that hits the bullseye as is.

Just so you know lol, it's chemdog not dawg - giggle.....

That's a straight 91 cut. I had to trade something interesting for that!

Like I said, I can't vouch for Arjan's fem version but, chem himself said he had the real 91 sooo????

Green thumbs #4, is legit #4.....It worked well for me.....I will get it back eventually

All I can say about Rez and his beans....Be fucking careful. He has a bad record of passing BS beans on seedbay in large lots of junk beans. If he pulls that there....his beans at other places would be? He's not a popular guy - he has a bad history with Gypsy and Chem.

Dig that up yourself. I mean, look at his section at IC - No one has posted there since 2013.....Skip the rat bastard.
 

chemphlegm

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WRONG! It is not an afgani strain! OG kush was a breeding project to control PM in coastal area's on the west coast. Ghost cut OG was the first result of that project - BAD ASS strain! Orgn Kid is the "KING" of OG = draw conclusions from that.....

HSO's 4 is - #4 pheno genetic's

Stay away from anything Cali Connection...Long story behind that but, lets just say the guys involved had a big argument over the breeding practice and quality of the dog lines....SFV was pissed off..

you're right sir, Pakistan
what those OG guys married with the Pakistni/Hindu/Kush region weed did was magic for sure,Hindu Kush range, is mostly located in northern Pakistan and the Nuristan and Badakhshan provinces of Afghanistan, so....
http://en.seedfinder.eu/strain-info/Ghost_OG/Clone_Only_Strains/ looks like chemdog is in ghost OG!

 

chemphlegm

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Tres named his work chemdaWg to honor the Real CVA, so he says on youtube.
the real va says he laughs at the W though, the way I understand it. but I dont give a shit either, the smoke is 100% killer everytime
no matter what he does, like a Green Midas
 

morgwar

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Dually Noted on the rez gear.
Yeah riots gear is a bit spendy.
But it's woth it if it gets me that holy grail chem dog/chemdawg
Am I wrong for not wanting skunk kush or Afghani bred in?, I'm no expert at ALL and this has been days of reading . I'm looking for foundation genetics for my very own chem dog or dawg.
Again this is so I can spend year's refining selectively to my own tastes, so variety is good just no out crosses. Once I get it down, then I'LL DO THE OUTCROSSING. Lol
 

morgwar

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what? what exactly do you think Chemdog is?
you are over thinking it, just take the plunge. the only thing making chemdog any better is when its married to another indica type elite kush's like ghost og, 818, la, etc. check out a Punnets Square to learn how these marriages take place, how they choose pheno's to continue isolating desired terpene profiles.

chemdog is an indica likely afghani, married with thai/nepali possibly, I'll know soon when the dna strips arrive.

"
At a Grateful Dead show at Deer Creek Amphitheatre, joebrand (aka wonkanobe) and pbud met chemdog and sold him an ounce of very high quality pot for $500. Joe and Chemdog exchanged numbers and they later arranged for two ounces to be shipped to chemdog on the east coast. According to chemdog, one ounce was seedless and the other had 13 seeds.

In ’91, chemdog popped the first 4 seeds. From these seeds, one male was found and disposed of (chemdog was young, you can’t blame him). The 3 females were labeled "chemdawg" (now '91 chemdawg), "chemdawg a" (now chemdawg's sister), and "chemdawg b". In 2001, chemdog and his girlfriend attempted to germ 3 more seeds, labeled "c", "d", and "e". the "e" seed never germinated, "c" turned out to be junk (according to chemdog), and chemdawg "d" was the keeper. In 2006, chemdog and joebrand reunited and joe was given 4 of the last 6 beans: Chemdawg phenos 1-4, "4" being the chosen keeper. Joe thought the "4" was the best representation of the original and thus dubbed it the "reunion pheno". Chemdog still has two seeds left in his stash." http://en.seedfinder.eu/strain-info/Chem_Dawg/Unknown_or_Legendary/
Well I am a newbie at cannabis but when it comes to plants animals and breeding I'm old hat.
Being an F1 hybrid of African and European jeans myself if you look at my children. One looks exactly like me and the other is blonde haired blue-eyed and purely European. So taking the plunge quote unquote doesn't afford me anything but the potential for a Kush leaning phenotype further down the line. Now I'm married back to European lineage that's a back cross to my mother's genetics. If my son marries someone of African heritage he's back cross to my father's lineage. From what I understand that would stabilize my traits somewhat.
So all I'm looking for in the end is a strain that presents and is focused on the genetics of the original beans grown. After I have gotten the traits that I like from that line stabilized then I'll start looking into making my own crosses. This is not for profit this is something I can give my children. So they can make crosses of Their Own
 

morgwar

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Just so you know lol, it's chemdog not dawg - giggle.....

That's a straight 91 cut. I had to trade something interesting for that!

Like I said, I can't vouch for Arjan's fem version but, chem himself said he had the real 91 sooo????

Green thumbs #4, is legit #4.....It worked well for me.....I will get it back eventually

All I can say about Rez and his beans....Be fucking careful. He has a bad record of passing BS beans on seedbay in large lots of junk beans. If he pulls that there....his beans at other places would be? He's not a popular guy - he has a bad history with Gypsy and Chem.

Dig that up yourself. I mean, look at his section at IC - No one has posted there since 2013.....Skip the rat bastard.
I'll skip rez but VGS might have gotten lucky his stuff is pretty popular.
Decision wise it's looking like several hundred dollars investment but that's nothing new.
Green thumb passes the litmus test despite what's said about it, too many yeas and not enough nays. And of course there's chems word on arjan.
So it's 1.arjan, greenhouse
2. VGS C4DD (Chem D x C4D) 3. topdawg.4.greenthumb 5. Matt riot.
 

morgwar

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Seeds here now website is still a bit buggy. A lot of dead links or repeat descriptions.
But there seems to be a whole world of breeders that I wasn't even aware of.
Talking to my nonsmoking buddies after legalization, I've realized that there is an entire subculture that isn't remotely aware of what we've done with this awesome plant. Heck I'm just getting my feet wet.
I have a lot to learn.
 

morgwar

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Never mind they're back offline again.
Which is good because a lot of his strains werent there. Either that or not available
 

Odin*

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I have to disagree with your juju logic. How does the plant not rest? And if life can be extended then how is that bad? The plant's main goal in life is to produce as many offspring as possible and most perennial plant reproduce through propagation other than seed production, i.e. cloning. That action happens in nature all the time with perennials. If it wasn't natural then the plant cutting wouldn't produce roots, it would just die.

If you clone a female and produce seed with it once or many times then it is a positive for that plant, now instead of only producing one batch of seed, it has the ability to make much more, which in the end is exactly what the plant is trying to do.

So by cloning a female you are not "torturing" or forcing it to do you bidding. A basic course in plant biology would explain that concept for you, lol.

I'm going to cut off a pinky toe, throw it into a pool of blood, and watch as "I" emerge. That is "Bad Juju". I'm with you.
 
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