Which coco nutrients?

Which Nutes?


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TheStickiest

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I'm looking for new nutrients for my coco DTW with 10gal reservoir.

I have my 3 choices narrowed down but would like to hear some input from the community.

Here are my 3 choices.
1. H3AD's formula
2. CANNA
3. House and Garden

Which of these are a better choice? and why?

I'm open to other nutrient suggestions as well. But do please explain why you prefer to use what you suggest over other choices please.

I'm really looking for something with great results from beginning to end and something with stable PH, I'm currently chasing PH around in my res and its not fun.
 
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Resinhound

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Aww my choice isnt on the list but out of those 3 I like choice#1 the best...keep it simple,stupid. :bigjoint:
 

Skunk Baxter

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I'm new to coco, and only a few weeks in, so take this for what it's worth - but I'm really happy so far with Canna Coco. My biggest complaint is that I'm doing a SOG, and I have to feed at about half the recommended strength in veg to keep the plants from exploding through the roof of the house. At full strength, they shot up 3 feet in less than a month on 20/4 with a 1000w Eye Superhortllux, and even at that I cut back after 2 weeks. So most of that growth was just in the first 2 weeks or so.

I float my PH from about 5.8 to 6.1, occasionally (but very rarely, and very briefly) let it get as low as 5.5 and high as 6.3. 5.8 to 6.1 seems to be the sweet spot. It usually climbs to 6.1 over the course of the day, and I knock it down to 5.7 or 5.8 for the morning feeding and then don't adjust again until the next day.

I find that the Coco A and Coco B give me terrific growth through veg, but I need Calmag and even an occasional boost of Epsom salts. I had bad magnesium deficiency immediately upon repotting in coco and switching to the Canna nutes, but no indication of calcium deficiency - so I mix the Calmag a little on the light side and boost the magnesium just a bit more with a small amount of Epsom salts (still getting the exact mix dialed in), and that seems to be the right balance. I've never heard of anyone doing that, but it seems to be working so far judging by the leaves. I'm a big believer in using only the nutes you need, and keeping the PPMs down wherever possible. Further observation may prove this to be a mistake, but so far I like the look of the leaves.

Others who use different lines of nutes may not have to tinker as much as I am with their mix, and if so maybe they've got a better case than I do. All I know is I'm happy so far, and for that kind of robust growth I don't mind playing mad scientist a few minutes 2 or 3 times a week. And, in a couple of weeks I'll be able to report on the PK13/14 flower nutes.
 
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rkymtnman

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H3AD's formula for sure. simple, cheap and very effective. for a 10 gal res, $30 bucks total of micro, bloom and epsom salts will last your whole grow.
 

TheStickiest

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H3AD's formula almost sounds too good to be true?

Are the end results of H3AD's formula equal to these pricey nutrient lines? or is H3AD's just cheap, easy and decent results? I don't mind paying more for something if it actually works "better"
 

TheStickiest

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I'm new to coco, and only a few weeks in, so take this for what it's worth - but I'm really happy so far with Canna Coco. My biggest complaint is that I'm doing a SOG, and I have to feed at about half the recommended strength in veg to keep the plants from exploding through the roof of the house. At full strength, they shot up 3 feet in less than a month on 20/4 with a 1000w Eye Superhortllux, and even at that I cut back after 2 weeks. So most of that growth was just in the first 2 weeks or so.

I float my PH from about 5.8 to 6.1, occasionally (but very rarely, and very briefly) let it get as low as 5.5 and high as 6.3. 5.8 to 6.1 seems to be the sweet spot. It usually climbs to 6.1 over the course of the day, and I knock it down to 5.7 or 5.8 for the morning feeding and then don't adjust again until the next day.

I find that the Coco A and Coco B give me terrific growth through veg, but I need Calmag and even an occasional boost of Epsom salts. I had bad magnesium deficiency immediately upon repotting in coco and switching to the Canna nutes, but no indication of calcium deficiency - so I mix the Calmag a little on the light side and boost the magnesium just a bit more with a small amount of Epsom salts (still getting the exact mix dialed in), and that seems to be the right balance. I've never heard of anyone doing that, but it seems to be working so far judging by the leaves. I'm a big believer in using only the nutes you need, and keeping the PPMs down wherever possible. Further observation may prove this to be a mistake, but so far I like the look of the leaves.

Others who use different lines of nutes may not have to tinker as much as I am with their mix, and if so maybe they've got a better case than I do. All I know is I'm happy so far, and for that kind of robust growth I don't mind playing mad scientist a few minutes 2 or 3 times a week. And, in a couple of weeks I'll be able to report on the PK13/14 flower nutes.
Do you use the entire CANNA product line and feeding schedule? or something custom? just curious.
 

rkymtnman

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nope. it's true and it's good. i've read the whole post of how he came up with it. it was a lot of trial and error to get it right.

nutrients only become really important when you have every other variable at perfection.
 

TheStickiest

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nope. it's true and it's good. i've read the whole post of how he came up with it. it was a lot of trial and error to get it right.

nutrients only become really important when you have every other variable at perfection.
I'm really leaning towards H3AD's formula to be honest. My other variables are pretty close to perfection, I really only have issues with my PH being very unstable and I'm positive its my nutrients.
 

rkymtnman

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it's based on lucas formula which i use. i didn't add anything else. RO, micro, bloom and epsom.

i would suggest to use RO/distilled water. my pH was always super stable using H3AD and Lucas formula.
 

TheStickiest

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it's based on lucas formula which i use. i didn't add anything else. RO, micro, bloom and epsom.

i would suggest to use RO/distilled water. my pH was always super stable using H3AD and Lucas formula.
I'm using RO water and FoxFarms nutrients, Bigbloom, Growbig Hydro, Cal-Mag, Hygrozyme. The plants are doing great but I have to adjust my res PH every time before I feed and its super effing annoying, I can't even use my drip system because my PH is too unstable. PH always rises to 6.5+ in like 6 hours.

I just keep my soup agitated in my res and hand water, making sure to fix ph every time. It's working for now but what about when I'm wanting to water 3-4 times a day..
 

Resinhound

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I edited my post. I would like to hear your choice and why you use it over everything else if you would please.
I like dyna gro(foilage pro),its a high quality complete 1 part.I supplement with cal/mag in coco,when needed.I dont buy into all the gimmicky lines of nutrients with alot of bottles of bullshit.Heads formula isnt magic,it just a simple complete nutrient schedule based on the correct RATIOS of nutrients...just like dyna gro.
 

Lurkdewitt

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I have been using Cutting Edge Solutions for about 3 weeks now and I'm having great results so far. First coco grow, but I've used AN products, H&G and DynaGro in soil and rdwc in the past and the only comparable growth was in rdwc using dymagro.
I like CES products because they are fairly cheap in my area and I have had no salt buildup over the past 2 weeks feeding full strength pretty much everyday with 10% runoff. I use their micro, grow, bloom, bulletproof si, and a bit of uncle johns blend with no issues with ph swings, lockout or deficiencies. I will say though to use calimagic or some other cal-mag than their mag amp and plant amp. Mag amp is fine but plant amp makes your ph drop from 6 to like 4.3 in my experience. They say its normal and it will even out since its an organic acid but I like to know my ph will be where I want it all the time.

A bonus is that it bring my tap ph from 7.9ish to 5.9ish every time so I barely need ph down now!:bigjoint:
 

cocojo3

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Look into dyna gro products. I switched to that about 2 years ago and I'm never looking back. It's one of the cheapest out there and I get the same results as I got with canna and h&g except less things to mix and more money in my pocket. Once you grow for a while you start realizing all the hype with some of these big brand names is bs. Look for what the products contain not how fancy their label is.
Here's a good start with dyna gro:
Get foliage pro for veg and get grow for flowering. You can use foliage pro or grow the entire run if you want. If you get all 3 (including bloom) you can kind of fine tune your own recipe. I mix foliage pro and grow in veg and then mix grow and bloom in flowering. I try to stick with a 3-1-2 veg and 1-3-2/1-2-2 in bloom. Everyone I've had try this sticks with it. It's easy it's cheap and it's not dangerous like some of these bloom boosters out there with totally unnecessary pk values.
 
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