MMJ Dreaming 99
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Heat press?
CO 2 extraction?
Butane extraction?
Which machine?
CO 2 extraction?
Butane extraction?
Which machine?
Which process has the highest yield or return for creating concentrate?
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gwpharms
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That's a very complex question with many facets and open too much debate. It's one of those things you have to find out for yourself but I'm sure you'll find lots of advice thrown your way . Also you forgot to add about 150 other extraction methods and machines. Most people on here think butane is the only way so that'll probably get the majority vote. Crack open a book or talk to a chemist and you will likely learn that chloroform is your best solvent. Assuming you want thc in its most pure form without additional filtration distillation winterization or whatever
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chemphlegm
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can the stoner laymen acquire chloroform? legally ?
Fadedawg
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We first have to define return, because non targeted elements add to the weight.
BHO and SCFE CO2 offer the greatest potential of targeted elements.
Either BHO will extract what's there, so it then gets down to the process.
I chose closed loop BHO to exploit, because I can get what is there and the cost per gram per gram is the lowest. Equipment cost is also lower.
BHO and SCFE CO2 offer the greatest potential of targeted elements.
Either BHO will extract what's there, so it then gets down to the process.
I chose closed loop BHO to exploit, because I can get what is there and the cost per gram per gram is the lowest. Equipment cost is also lower.
Fadedawg
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No laws against buying it, but it is on the DEA drug lab watch list.
gwpharms
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These days anyone can get anything shipped right to your door no questions asked. Lots of people are selling Chinese chemicals and shipping from within the US and they aren't raising any red flags at the dea. God bless ebay and amazon huh? I order from sigma aldrich and edm millipore mostly
"watched" by the feds means your name goes on a list that nobody looks at unless you start ordering by the barrel full or the distributor thinks you sound shaddy.
If you do buy a lot.
Talk to chem suppliers directly let them know who you are and what you do with their chems.
Order by phone not online. The personal touch does alot to keep you out of red flag land and a visit from the feds.
All the watched chemicals have many other viable uses. Scrapping gold from electronics for example.
My favorite watched chemical, acetic anhydride, i use more often to make banana flavor than I do to make drugs. However i choose to make my own because its fun and im good at it and I have the right stuff. (Ketene generation i wouldnt recommend to the layman, my almamader no longer allows it)
I could prepare my own chloroform but I dont usd it much so its more practical for me to buy it for $60 a liter
I'll throw my suggestion into the ring even though you will probably end up blasting butane through a glass tube in your back yard.
If you want a safer simpler solvent and method id recommend absolute etoh. Remove the chlorophyll and you can get 80% potent oil easy.no fat no wax no winterizing. I use a continuous closed loop system so i get a complete extraction and reclaim the solvent.
3 steps. Extraction filtration distillation. (Recrystalization is a option too if you want to add step 4)Typical yeild of thc oil from trim is 20%.
Over 25%total yeild.
All my growers are producing 30% thc flower so that helps of course.
from trim to thc the process takes me about 24 hours. Everything used is food grade and available to anyone. Gives consistent results every time.
Note you only see backyard bho users on here constantly asking questions like why is it oil and sometimes its wax? What temp for how long to purge and in what oven? How come my stuff is crumble but the other guys is honeycomb and the other guys is glass?1 Is this safe? Is all the butane gone? How much propane do i use? pre distill or not pre distill my 5x butane? 12x? Does the x even mean anything? What closed loop is better? I could go on and on. Keep it up bho guys its very entertaining
chemphlegm
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lol, I did, in my brand new honey bee twice years ago, then bought a tamisium and never looked back. I like the closed loop and enjoy reclaim. I get great returns and have no issues with the end product.
MikeGanja
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Sounds very interesting Sir! Would you please give some more information on your method? Chloroform would raise a red flag in my part of europe, it´s on a explosives and drug precursors list. Ethanol is easy to make and I have molecular sieves to dry it.
Fadedawg
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Before giving such sage advice to brothers and sisters who are the ones who will pay the price if you are wrong, I suggest that you do more research.
We buy reagents in small quantities, up front and personal at the counter at American Scientific, and still ended up with an under cover cop in one of our classes, suggesting you may be wrong regarding who is paying attention to what.
We did nothing illegal, and he wasn't able to lure us into doing anything illegal, so that one at least moved on. We may have had others more discrete and clever, but we had one for sure.
A valid point that they have bigger fish to fry, but a mistake to forget about local and individual agendas, as well as random checks. If being looked over by the feds isn't an issue, as it isn't with us, I wouldn't worry about. If a cursory review might be an issue, it is a gamble that you might consider the benefit versus the odds and potential downside.
I again ask the question of whether GW Pharmaceutical knows you are using their good name to add gravitas and credibility to your posts? You clearly are not connected, and though it may be an inside joke in your circle jerks, it is misleading to noobies in the real world.
You continue to fluff it off, so I sent the following to GWPharm.com, to get their thoughts:
Are ya’ll aware that your good name is being adumbrated by an individual using your name as his avatar on Rollitup cannabis forum? Here is a link to one such post, but if you search the forum, you will find many more:
https://www.rollitup.org/t/which-process-has-the-highest-yield-or-return-for-creating-concentrate.934600/
JD Ellis aka Graywolf
Skunk Pharm Research, LLC
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Fadedawg
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Good idea, I second the request! Can we see details vis a vis arm waves? It would make great strides toward establishing your bonafied's, and add weight to your credibility.............
gwpharms
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Simply put
Extract with etoh however you like. I use a soxhlet but there are many more efficient easy to use options. Find one that best fits your aptitudes means and personality.
Remove chlorophyll: carbon filtration is one way
Distill and reclaim solvent.: Under vacuum or not. Again whatever best suites you. Simple distillation glassware is all you need. Or just boil the solvent off and dont reclaim it. Up to you
The raw oil with the chlorophyll in it would probably be about 60% thc and not taste great. A siimple filtration and your up to 75% or better with wonderful flavors and powerful effects. Long lasting effects too. Most co2 or butane shatter and wax users report very intense effects that quickly tapper of and 20 minutes later they are doing another dab.
A good extract should have the user saying "no thanks i dont need another im baked, i couldn't possibly " up to 4 hour after use.
gwpharms
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Unless your friends at the face to face chemical sales counter turned you in,
the feds didn't show up at your class because of the chemicals you buy. They have been following your site and downloading its contents from day 1. Every tweet.
And its a screen name. My avatar is Franz
the feds didn't show up at your class because of the chemicals you buy. They have been following your site and downloading its contents from day 1. Every tweet.
And its a screen name. My avatar is Franz
Fadedawg
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I've tasted and experienced most processes, including helping judge various local and national concentrate cups, and have yet to have a 4 hour whammy laid on me or had either of my SPR partners doing the same, claim such an experience.
Are you referring to babes in the woods and lightweights?
The above is an example of what I mean by arm waving. Is it what you have come to view as a technical scientific discussion?
Fadedawg
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You present that as factual, but you can have no way of knowing any of those details, which continues to make the case that you pull things out of thin air and present them as facts to the gullible.
I'm not going to debate it with you, I've already relayed my experience to those whom have ears, and I infer they will all make up their own minds as adults.
Indeed, I can see its a screen name, seemingly chosen to bolster your image at GW Pharm.com's expense, but good to know the name of the poor dude whose physical image you are also adumbrating. He does have a sage and profound look about him, so I can see why you might have chosen it.
Fadedawg
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OK Franz, why pick GW Pharm for a name on a cannabis forum?
Who's the distinguished looking mutton chopped dude?
gwpharms
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dabbindylan
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Fadedawg
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It isn't the unsubtle innuendos that are confusing, it is why you are hiding behind a distinguished picture, and an established name, passing yourself off as the voice from the mount, when clearly you aren't in possession of the technical details to support such a position.
I've asked for those details above, so I infer you can't answer with anything but cheap shots.
dabbindylan
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I believe both of you bring valid information to the forum divulging information that others would not. I also think that u shouldnt argue because it make u both look lesser. Bho closed loop has great potential. I think alcohol also makes for great extractions. imo bho/pho closed loop makes for a faster finshed product and if ur doing large scale PRODUCTION alcohol would be cost efficient but not time efficient also to scale large alcohol production extraction u need much more money to start in tools an glass... Where as Fadedawg gives explanation on not only pretty much how to build a cls but also how to operate it. Gwpharms has half helpful info half shittery