Whoa - Isn't the State of Michigan Making 'Millions' Processing MMMA Applications?

jonnynobody

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A recent statistic I saw claimed approximately 75,000 MMMA patient applications have been approved and at a cost of $100 per application. Now I'm no math professor but 100 X 75,000 = approx. $7,500,000 cold hard cash. In these times of massive state and federal deficits why in the funk isn't anybody in the media / government talking about this huge source of new revenue flowing into the state coffers? Personally if my household had a new revenue source of 3.5 million dollars per year I would be screaming hallelujah from the rooftop trying to figure out how this new revenue source could be advanced further and maximized...especially if I was broke like the state of michigan. What if they took it a step further and implemented a 6% sales tax on MMJ statewide? It really seems like a subject that is begging for discussion but nobody in the media nor the state / local government is giving a crap enough to talk about...

btw, I don't mean to imply that I want MMJ taxed but everybody knows taxation brings legitimacy to the cause so the idea is certainly viable and should definitely be considered.
 

ThatGuy113

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Cause that number is still only a drop in the bucket.....

And caregivers can go get a tax number from the state and become a legit business but not everyone wants to pay their taxes.
 

TDM

Active Member
I figured that out the other day to Johnny...New Mexico raised the cost of card from $100-1000yr, Colorado is charging dispensarys thousands of dollars to operate. You know our state is looking at this...anything they can get away with.
 

sheapdog420

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I actually saw 57,000 already approved, 137,000 new applicants awaiting approval. multiplied by $100= $19,400,000. If the state were smart, they'd charge the 6% sales tax on all purchases from the dispensaries. So a $50 1/8th would end up costing $53. $300 oz would end up being $318. Now how many oz's per year do you think dispensaries and caregivers are going to sell? With the amount of potential revenue, its mind numbing the politicians aren't drooling over this to get their greedy ass hands into our pocket books.

I hate taxes, but am willing to pay the 6% sales tax on my purchases. Especially if it will get the government out of the business incarcerating non-violent people, while they get all boozed up on the tax payers dime!
 

guy incognito

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Not everyone pays $100 though. I think low income qualifies for $25 fee.

Also fuck taxes. I would fuck the gubment out of as much taxes as I could.
 

ktwister

Member
Cause that number is still only a drop in the bucket.....

And caregivers can go get a tax number from the state and become a legit business but not everyone wants to pay their taxes.

I think that line of thinking comes from the fact that since the federal guv says it's illegal.
You would be basically making a payment and admission of guilt, and in doing so would probably be making a case for bribery or some othe nonsense that they would dig up and throw on the plate for some jurors to watch sizzle and jump around if the wanted you some day.
7 million+ isn't a drop in the bucket when it comes to Michigan budgets. and 19 million is ALOT more!!!
Yeah, go pay your state taxes. It'll go to people like Gary Peters who helps prosecute the legal medical patients of Michigan.
or maybe you should pay your federal taxes too.
It'll go to the descendants of Harry Anslinger who classed this drug ONLY to pad his pockets with Big Pharm, and guise the whole thing under the cloak of racism.
Yeah, I'll give it to the honest legitimate ones :eyesmoke:
 

TDM

Active Member
I would like to say screw the tax's too but it will bring the movement into the real world, and they will stop playing football with peoples lives.
 

jonnynobody

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Take a look at the level of acceptance and legitimacy in california and colorado and you can see what tax revenue can do to advance the cause. And I don't like the bullshit pretenses of cannabis prohibition any more than the next supporter of change but we have to bring something to the table, dude.
 

endogarden

New Member
I think decriminalizing / properly legalizing cannabis and industrial hemp are more important and achievable issues currently than removing the IRS and the taxation system, despite it's abuses and misuses.
 

ThatGuy113

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I think that line of thinking comes from the fact that since the federal guv says it's illegal.
You would be basically making a payment and admission of guilt, and in doing so would probably be making a case for bribery or some othe nonsense that they would dig up and throw on the plate for some jurors to watch sizzle and jump around if the wanted you some day.
7 million+ isn't a drop in the bucket when it comes to Michigan budgets. and 19 million is ALOT more!!!
Yeah, go pay your state taxes. It'll go to people like Gary Peters who helps prosecute the legal medical patients of Michigan.
or maybe you should pay your federal taxes too.
It'll go to the descendants of Harry Anslinger who classed this drug ONLY to pad his pockets with Big Pharm, and guise the whole thing under the cloak of racism.
Yeah, I'll give it to the honest legitimate ones :eyesmoke:
It is a drop in the bucket, that's not a lot of money when ur talking about billions of dollars. Also you can for sure get a Michigan state tax id number. The only way you will get raided by the feds is if you are severely breaking the law in your state. If you stay within your legal plant allowance then we have nothing to worry about but no one wants to do that so how are we supposed to show everyone that medical marijuana can be legitamate. The law says what it says so just be happy we have been given the state right to grow legally within the laws.
 

ktwister

Member
It is a drop in the bucket, that's not a lot of money when ur talking about billions of dollars.
Once again, 7-19 million isn't a drop in the bucket for the budget within the State of Michigan.
Especially when in a state of recession.
It is dollars earned for the state, and not part of some imaginary budget dreamt up by Granholm.
and if it is utilized correctly could be 3-4 times that amount in a small period of time.

The only way you will get raided by the feds is if you are severely breaking the law in your state. If you stay within your legal plant allowance then we have nothing to worry about but no one wants to do that so how are we supposed to show everyone that medical marijuana can be legitamate.
What about the 71 year-old woman from Lake Orion, Barb Agro ???

Medicine is medicine is medicine. If you want to define things as such, you should be willing to treat them as such as well.
No one comes into my house to inspect how many vicodins my pharmacist dispensed to me, or comes to count my tylenol in the middle of the night.
Gimme a break.

Also you can for sure get a Michigan state tax id number.
I know you can get a Michigan tax id number, but you failed to address any of the loopholes or issues I addressed regarding this matter.
You just regurgitated your original statement adding nothing.

The law says what it says so just be happy we have been given the state right to grow legally within the laws.
Yeah, it says cannabis is illegal federally, period!
Maybe you should go spew some of this to Gary Peters and some of the other losers trying to reinterpret the law layed down by the taxpayers and voters of the State of Michigan.
I will never be happy.
Unlike you.
I am insatiable, and will not rest until everyone receives justice, and is allowed to exercise free will within the pursuit of liberty.
 

jonnynobody

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Barbara Agro was convicted in state court because she broke the medical marijuana law by having too many plants and she wasn't intelligent enough to invoke her constitutionally provide right to remain silent and instead ratted herself out when the dispensary she worked in as a secretary was raided. Would I have convicted her? Hell no! As it was though, she broke the law plain and simple. When I start growing, you can bet your ass my paperwork will be in order and I will never have more than my allowance in plants.
 

ThatGuy113

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Once again, 7-19 million isn't a drop in the bucket for the budget within the State of Michigan.
Especially when in a state of recession.
It is dollars earned for the state, and not part of some imaginary budget dreamt up by Granholm.
and if it is utilized correctly could be 3-4 times that amount in a small period of time.

What about the 71 year-old woman from Lake Orion, Barb Agro ???

Medicine is medicine is medicine. If you want to define things as such, you should be willing to treat them as such as well.
No one comes into my house to inspect how many vicodins my pharmacist dispensed to me, or comes to count my tylenol in the middle of the night.
Gimme a break.



I know you can get a Michigan tax id number, but you failed to address any of the loopholes or issues I addressed regarding this matter.
You just regurgitated your original statement adding nothing.

Yeah, it says cannabis is illegal federally, period!
Maybe you should go spew some of this to Gary Peters and some of the other losers trying to reinterpret the law layed down by the taxpayers and voters of the State of Michigan.
I will never be happy.
Unlike you.
I am insatiable, and will not rest until everyone receives justice, and is allowed to exercise free will within the pursuit of liberty.
Here you go they actually made less then i thought off of this program. You forgot about the cost to actually run the government department for medical marijuana. The state released a report in 2010 about the possibility of outsourcing the marijuana program and they had numbers for the program.

Taken out of the document which can be found here http://www.michigan.gov/documents/mdch/727_03_01_10_313352_7.pdf

B. Medical Marihuana Program Fees
MCL 333.26425 gives the Department the authority to establish application and
renewal fees that generate revenues sufficient to offset all expenses of implementing
and administering the MMA through the promulgation of Administrative Rules. The
Department reviewed the application and renewal fees established by those states
with existing Medical Marihuana programs and established fees based on the average
fees charged by other jurisdictions. Currently, the fee for a new or renewal
application is $100.00, unless a qualifying patient can demonstrate his or her current
eligibility in the Medicaid program or receipt of current SSD or SSI benefits, in
which case the application fee is $25.00. Approximately 60% of the applicants
qualify for the reduced fee.
C. First Year Anticipated Costs and Revenues
Revenue
Actual revenue from April 2009 – January 2010 $1,025.981
Estimated annual revenue – Year 1 $1,231,177
Program Costs
Estimated annual expenses $ 717,179
Estimated Balance in Fund $ 513,997

7
MCL 333.26426(h)(3). D. Second Year Anticipated Costs and Revenue
Revenue
Estimated annual revenue – Year 2 $1,100,385 to $2,024,165*
* Based on estimates of 81 applications/renewals per day to 149 applications/renewals per day.

Program Costs
Estimated annual expenses – Year 2 $1,163,687*


So were talking about around 500,000 dollar profit the first year and a 900,00ish profit the second year. So that drop in the bucket is even smaller. There is little money to be made by the state especially since its needs to be self sufficient.

Now onto Barb Argo, she broke the law period. 12 plants should be enough to keep her constantly in supply of medicine the only reason you would need more then 12 plants is to make money and the law is not setup for that. Just like jonny said she ratted herself out and then the house was unlocked causing further problems. Your so caught up on the technicality the on the federal level marijuana is illegal, why cant you see the technicality of our own states law that 12 plants is the limit. How are we EVER going to legitimize medical marijuana in Michigan if we have all of these people showing that they still cant respect the law. Do i feel bad for her? Yes Do i feel like that was unfair? Yes but it is the law and law is black and white when it comes to restrictions on amounts of marijuana. So if you dont like the law go try to change it, its simply just like people on the freeway speeding to try to show people that the speed limits need to be changed when in reality most of the time that scenario just shows a more dominant police force on the highways trying to make more money. If you want things to be different work on it at the legislative level.


On to the tax issues......

The only reason why dispensaries or huge growers get busted is 1. Dispensaries are not specified in the law making them automatically illegal with copious amounts for medicine that could violate state law. 2. Huge grow operations are obviously outside of the law as well. 3. They get busted cause they are breaking the law on a state level just like the feds said they would only go after people violating state laws.

In California there are many dispensaries that pay both state and fed taxes and the only ones getting busted in recent memory are one that have put themselves outside of the law in California. Taxes are not an automatic path to federal government domination and a shut down of medical marijuana.


If your so caught up on the federal government still continuing the classification of marijuana as a sched 1 drug then why should you even grow at all?. How is growing plants outside of the limit any different then before we had a mmmp program. If your smart you wont get caught, so if you feel like you cant be contained within the limits of 12 plants go crazy. You know some of the times when the feds raid a place i dont see it as a negative thing when they actually bust someone who is severely abusing the law and funneling money into other crimes. Take the raid in walled lake for example, the owner was way out of the legal number of plants for himself and his company. On top of that money was being funneled into the Colosseum strip club on 8 mile and he also was profiting extensively off of illegal money and any time that happens your going to draw the attention of law enforcement whether your growing pot of stealing money from a huge corporation.

The bottom line is we have a law to protect us on the state level for MEDICAL marijuana so the restrictions are there it is not meant to make people tons and tons of money. The good news is you can still make over 100,000 dollars a year within the legal limits of the law if you set up the right system. (granted you have made this your full time job and have picked up patients up until your legal limit of plants for 5 patients) Its just like running any other business in other industries that have there own set of rules and regulations.

but thats just like your opinion man...
 

ThatGuy113

Well-Known Member
Correction in light of a new study that has made the news today it has been discorvered that the program has netted a 8 million dollar profit from the program.
http://www.freep.com/article/20110611/NEWS06/106110367/Michigan-s-medical-marijuana-profit-8-million

but still taking a look at the whole picture

the profit is 8 million the states budget for 2011 was 45.7 BILLION dollars

8 million divided by 45.7 billion = 0.000175054705 so 0.00018 of budget do you realize how little that amount of money really matters in the scheme of things.

On top of the mentioned current problems they will need to fix in the future to deal with demand.
 

jonnynobody

Well-Known Member
Correction in light of a new study that has made the news today it has been discorvered that the program has netted a 8 million dollar profit from the program.
http://www.freep.com/article/20110611/NEWS06/106110367/Michigan-s-medical-marijuana-profit-8-million

but still taking a look at the whole picture

the profit is 8 million the states budget for 2011 was 45.7 BILLION dollars

8 million divided by 45.7 billion = 0.000175054705 so 0.00018 of budget do you realize how little that amount of money really matters in the scheme of things.

On top of the mentioned current problems they will need to fix in the future to deal with demand.
I agree, in the big picture it's not a lot of money relative to the overall yearly budget but when you consider what good could be done with that 8 million dollars, it's not such a tiny figure. Think of how many additional teachers' salaries that would pay each year if we simply pumped all of those profits into a fund for public education instead of squandering it in whatever way our useless legislators will inevitably do. How about a scholarship fund that assists college bound students to pay for higher education? There are many good causes that could be funded with that kind of money so one should not be so quick to look at 8 million dollars as 'a drop in the bucket'. Remember, it's really just a whole bunch of drops in the bucket that when combined, make up our yearly budget. When we stop caring or belittling 8 million dollars as 'a drop in the bucket' it reflects poorly on us as a society.
 

ThatGuy113

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I agree, in the big picture it's not a lot of money relative to the overall yearly budget but when you consider what good could be done with that 8 million dollars, it's not such a tiny figure. Think of how many additional teachers' salaries that would pay each year if we simply pumped all of those profits into a fund for public education instead of squandering it in whatever way our useless legislators will inevitably do. How about a scholarship fund that assists college bound students to pay for higher education? There are many good causes that could be funded with that kind of money so one should not be so quick to look at 8 million dollars as 'a drop in the bucket'. Remember, it's really just a whole bunch of drops in the bucket that when combined, make up our yearly budget. When we stop caring or belittling 8 million dollars as 'a drop in the bucket' it reflects poorly on us as a society.
The profit made though goes to sustaining the program only. So either A. the allocation areas for that money should be changed or B. We need to get serious about taxation think about how much could be added to that 8 million on a daily basis.
 
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