Will this hurt LP's profits?

doingdishes

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'People are lazy', and yet more and more are growing their own food in the interests of knowing what's in what they're consuming (sound familiar?). '

That's bang on, would these same people buy from an unknown source (cc/disp.)or a regulated one (LP?) being a long time grower and having the insight to see what goes on behind closed doors, I would never trust anything coming out of the grey market. That's just my personal choice. How about you?

Itsme.
i like and use the black market. more compassionate pricing than any LP and better quality.
when we can more gardens or change DG's then that will change but for now...........
 

SirLoweed

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I spoke with them while watching this video. They're not using COBs because they're too bright. But I mentioned that if you run them at really low wattage they massively improve efficiency of the lights and might be not so bad. Anyway I still think it's a kind of cool little device. It's probably too expensive though. Didn't ask how much.
$1300 retail, presale price is $899. Reserve one for $199, ships out April 2017. Final payment then....
 

SirLoweed

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Please elaborate, im curious. If its regards to my mentioning of not labelling all ppl as lazy, that was a reference to itsmehigh's comments. No need to be a condesending prick about it
Sorry if I came across prickish, didn't mean too!

At only 4 feet tall, its about as useful as those stealth PC growboxes. Not made by someone who has ever grown Cannabis. And at $899 , youd be better off buying a 4X4 tent, 600w light and a fan and filter.
You don't like it, I get it. No worries, I disagree. (Not made by someone who has ever....sounds a bit prickish eh?)

I think that set up wil serve 95% of peoples needs who are just getting started or looking to grow a few plants. At least they'd actually grow to maturation in there.
Here is where the contradition starts for me. Good for 95% of beginners? Actually mature? These sound like good things...

What a scam. "But you can control it from your phone" they say. If that lazy feature is a deciding selling point for someone, they're too lazy to do most things in life
Nope, back to the negativity. Control from your phone plus a ton of metrics. I'm all for getting rid of my hand written journal for some real science/data.

To label all people as lazy however is simply being dismissive and thinking obtusely
And again we contradict our previous statements about lazy.

Might be me, been a long day, but struck me as strange. That's all, no attack ment, just an observation.
 

SirLoweed

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I spoke with them while watching this video. They're not using COBs because they're too bright. But I mentioned that if you run them at really low wattage they massively improve efficiency of the lights and might be not so bad. Anyway I still think it's a kind of cool little device. It's probably too expensive though. Didn't ask how much.
Chris is one smart cookie!
 

gb123

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I've helped more sick/dying people then you can imagine. From my experience these are the last people least likely to grow cannabis or wait 3 months for their first crop. Most of my patients were incapable of growing due to their illness. Tell these people to grow their own or go without. It shouldn't matter where you get your meds as long as your getting them. Do you tell the cancer patient lying in a hospital bed to grow their own? LP's are simply another access point for people who want to source meds from a legal source. It's all about personal choice, or convenience. I'm a firm believer that anyone should have the choice to obtain or consume as much cannabis in which ever way the deem appropriate PERIOD. There's no point shitting on a person for choosing a LP. Just because you are capable doesn't mean everbody is. I'm very experience in grow a persons large script, it's no cake walk by any means.
you were their last resort SADLY...that's understood!!!!.

at $350 / gram of oil...they'll die at the hands of people like yourself. YOu stand behind what LP's do!!!...That's your idea to wealth.
Others have another way of looking at it...Growing for their health an not being FORCED to buy off LP Shwag producers who grow shit and charge stupid prices for meds!!! Oh..when we can grow our own for less than 20 cents on the dollar or cheaper even!!! Yes witt! Yesssss!!!
if people are to sick to grow their weed and have gone to it as a last resort because they listened to the medical society about what cancer they have..thats their issue. Not the ones who chose other wise. You'll never understand what Im talking about because yo uare talking oput your as with absolutely ZERO experience when it comes to treating a sick person.
Yer all about Rec after all ;)
 

GrowRock

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'People are lazy', and yet more and more are growing their own food in the interests of knowing what's in what they're consuming (sound familiar?). '

That's bang on, would these same people buy from an unknown source (cc/disp.)or a regulated one (LP?) being a long time grower and having the insight to see what goes on behind closed doors, I would never trust anything coming out of the grey market. That's just my personal choice. How about you?

Itsme.
Someone already posted that cc and disp have been tested to the same standards and who knew most passed and they did not have to irradiate to accomplish this.... Plus hc made it illegal for the labs in Canada to test anyone but this lp monoply you spout off about....
 

itsmehigh

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you were their last resort SADLY...that's understood!!!!.

at $350 / gram of oil...they'll die at the hands of people like yourself. YOu stand behind what LP's do!!!...That's your idea to wealth.
Others have another way of looking at it...Growing for their health an not being FORCED to buy off LP Shwag producers who grow shit and charge stupid prices for meds!!! Oh..when we can grow our own for less than 20 cents on the dollar or cheaper even!!! Yes witt! Yesssss!!!
if people are to sick to grow their weed and have gone to it as a last resort because they listened to the medical society about what cancer they have..thats their issue. Not the ones who chose other wise. You'll never understand what Im talking about because yo uare talking oput your as with absolutely ZERO experience when it comes to treating a sick person.
Yer all about Rec after all ;)
The reason I came into the MMAR was to help my dying mother. Don't you dare tell me I have no experience in death or helping sick or dying people. I take great offence to that. You think that you are the only one who has lost someone or is dealing with a medical condition, how self centred and ignorant. Your basically saying people get what they deserve because they lisened to their doctor, your pathetic.

Me and you are done. Asshat!

Itsme.
 

itsmehigh

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Someone already posted that cc and disp have been tested to the same standards and who knew most passed and they did not have to irradiate to accomplish this.... Plus hc made it illegal for the labs in Canada to test anyone but this lp monoply you spout off about....
3 out of 10 failed. It's a roll of the dice I wouldn't be willing to take. It's your choice to take the chance. I'm not telling you what to do, as long as you do your due diligence and are satisfied with not knowing what has been used during cultivation.

Itsme.
 

OGEvilgenius

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Sent this link to my mom, she thought it was pretty cool as well.

I'm actually gonna be doing a shit load of remodeling in the future and I'm probably going to build a grow room with super high efficiency COBs underneath a section of my kitchen's island run with aquaponics. Kinda excited. Been learning a lot about aquaponics and it feels with COBs it might make food production inside a hell of a lot more viable. We'll see.
 

SirLoweed

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Sent this link to my mom, she thought it was pretty cool as well.

I'm actually gonna be doing a shit load of remodeling in the future and I'm probably going to build a grow room with super high efficiency COBs underneath a section of my kitchen's island run with aquaponics. Kinda excited. Been learning a lot about aquaponics and it feels with COBs it might make food production inside a hell of a lot more viable. We'll see.
Keep us posted on your project, sounds really interesting!
 

JungleStrikeGuy

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'People are lazy', and yet more and more are growing their own food in the interests of knowing what's in what they're consuming (sound familiar?). '

That's bang on, would these same people buy from an unknown source (cc/disp.)or a regulated one (LP?) being a long time grower and having the insight to see what goes on behind closed doors, I would never trust anything coming out of the grey market. That's just my personal choice. How about you?

Itsme.
It's bang on, but not for the reasons you think it is. Given people interested in growing their own food are also generally interested in sustainable / local production, and are very likely to also purchase things from farmer's markets. So given they buy their food from an 'unknown source' (according to your definition), yes, they would feel comfortable buying from a dispensary.

It seems that a repeating theme in these kinds of threads is that someone brings up their 'inside knowledge'. Now, I'm not here to debate the veracity of anything, but as to what 'goes on behind closed doors', it's more or less your word against everyone else's. Prior to the G&M investigation, that's all we had.

Now, we know that the majority of a representative sample of dispensary cannabis passed the ridiculous MMPR regulations. And for those that didn't, experts considered the actual health risks to be dubious. Luckily the lab results for the G&M's investigation are the same whether you've been growing for 1 day or years, and aren't contingent on what 'closed doors' you've been behind. You clearly have a bias against dispensaries, and the average / reasonable person, on weighing the balance of the risks would not share your opinion.

In my view, harping about how LP's are the only 'legal' source while touting your knowledge of illegal activities isn't much better than our friend Bob who was making some or all of his living from breaking trafficking laws and then coming in here to tell us how it's illegal for Canada to legalize. You are not 'rolling the dice' when it comes to dispensaries from the G&M's lab results, that's just the math on 70% of cannabis passing regulations.

Quite simply, there is no epidemic of people getting sick from the evil dispensary cannabis. I have yet to see any substantiated proof of anyone in Canada ever getting sick from dispensary cannabis. You seem to be quite partial to the regulation 'halo', in other words that regulation for the sake of regulation is somehow intrinsically good. It isn't, there is no justification for over-broad regulations, and if 'legalization' is over-broad like the MMPR is/was, it will be struck down.

We now have proof, thanks to the G&M, and it isn't in favour of any of your arguments. 'unregulated', 'but it's illegal', 'you don't know what's in it', etc, are just FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) being perpetrated by the extinction burst of prohibition. It's unfortunate these arguments seem to be brought up time and again in threads like these, because they're quickly debunked in just about every case.

[For those who didn't sit through the same psych classes I did, an extinction burst is when there's a flurry, or 'burst' of an activity about to be ceased. So for example, you might go to town on junk food the day before starting a diet.]
 

TheRealDman

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3 out of 10 failed. It's a roll of the dice I wouldn't be willing to take. It's your choice to take the chance. I'm not telling you what to do, as long as you do your due diligence and are satisfied with not knowing what has been used during cultivation.

Itsme.
Actually the 3 that failed were because of an arbitrarily set, very low level hit on a mold spore that is commonly found in produce in every grocery store in Canada. That lab said that it has been advocating for years that this "hit" is already acceptable (in higher amounts) in almost all commercial fruits of veggies at Costco or Walmart.

So...did those 3 really fail or not? HC says for MMJ yes a for sure fail (destroy it or nuke it according to "current" LP Reg's), but it's ok to be present (in higher amounts) for other consumables...hmm?!?!

Or is this a slap in HC's face from MMAR growers....saying it doesn't take $M's in QA and security to provide real MMJ. #FuktheLP's
 
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Tektek

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Good outdoor bud has hi CFU counts.
HC wants drugs to have low CFU's.
Food can have higher.
Anybody can have low CFU with a HEPA intake filter.
LP's QA/QC? A joke. Discussing the finer points of garbage bud.
 

gb123

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The reason I came into the MMAR was to help my dying mother. Don't you dare tell me I have no experience in death or helping sick or dying people. I take great offence to that. You think that you are the only one who has lost someone or is dealing with a medical condition, how self centred and ignorant. Your basically saying people get what they deserve because they lisened to their doctor, your pathetic.

Me and you are done. Asshat!

Itsme.
understand!
Not because they listened but rather only listened and never had much proof, or anything else to go by other than what they were told, Lied to..deceived, ...........what have you. Then it all gets muddled by people who want to get rich quick by over charging the dying, as they will want to live after all and will give everything to do so...!!!
.. Then there are people who go off half cocked about how good LP's will help with that ...???
PPPPHHHHHTTTTTT sad excuse !!!
You helped your dying mother, that's awesome.
I couldn't help my father who died of the same cancer I have. I couldn't help my mother either.
Telling people to eat this shit doesn't help either because of what we have been all taught and brain washed.
I wish the fact that this shit actually helps, would have been known way back when, as I know it would have helped. I AM that proof.

Yerp...thats pathetic alright!
 
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gb123

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Actually the 3 that failed were because of an arbitrarily set, very low level hit on a mold spore that is commonly found in produce in every grocery store in Canada. That lab said that it has been advocating for years that this "hit" is already acceptable (in higher amounts) in almost all commercial fruits of veggies at Costco or Walmart.

So...did those 3 really fail or not? HC says for MMJ yes a for sure fail (destroy it or nuke it according to "current" LP Reg's), but it's ok to be present (in higher amounts) for other consumables...hmm?!?!

Or is this a slap in HC's face from MMAR growers....saying it doesn't take $M's in QA and security to provide real MMJ. #FuktheLP's
not to mention...it;s shelf life ;)
This shit doesnt seem to have one YET!..
Me thinks that a sick patient would be yelling this from the MMPR...

We don't hear any MMPR complaining about shit weed because they feel as though they are legal and above the laws.. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Wonder how long it;ll be before some MMPR start screaming about their rights when they get popped while out driving the town.
 

JungleStrikeGuy

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not to mention...it;s shelf life ;)
This shit doesnt seem to have one YET!..
Me thinks that a sick patient would be yelling this from the MMPR...

We don't hear any MMPR complaining about shit weed because they feel as though they are legal and above the laws.. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Wonder how long it;ll be before some MMPR start screaming about their rights when they get popped while out driving the town.
Already happened a long time ago, the guy who got popped at Canada's wonderland I think. There's another failing of the MMPR (a huge one), in that police were never properly trained / informed.

Another Harper special, write something unconstitutional, boot it out the door and leave it to the police / communities / patients to deal with the fallout. I'm hoping MMPR v2.0 will address this in some capacity.

The fact that Tweed 'trains' Toronto police is a huge red flag (and proof of the above).
 
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