Would these strains be considered "true breeding" strains?

Flying Dutchman Royal Orange:
http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/the-flying-dutchmen-dutchmen-39-s-royal-orange/prod_244.html

and Joey Weed's Cinderella.
http://hempdepot.ca/seeds/joeyweed/Cinderella99.html

or are they too "mixed" in lineage?

don't all jump in at once homies. ;P Not looking to be a breeder...just looking to perhaps, maybe make a personal strain. I would however like it to be stable. I've read that Cinderella even though Joey's is a F2 is very stable.
Royal Orange is "supposedly" the culmination of 10,000 plants. I would have to imagine even if those numbers are inflated...that it would've been stabilized by that point...no? Please if this is a "lame" question understand that
I've done my part and answered numerous "lame" questions for others...time to cash in some imaginary "chips". Thanks.

as far as what I'm trying to accomplish with the two strains that I selected...shortening the 10-11 week flower of Royal Orange. Adding more sativa to the indica heavy Orange. Keeping a sweet, fruity taste. Hopefully keeping the grow odor low. Cinderella seems like it be a good match based on how I wish to "change" the orange. Does everything that I want even seem possible? Would I need to breed a huge number of plants to accomplish it?

hey dude, wish i could help, kinda in the same boat, Ive asked about strains a couple times, where to get em, what their about, not too many answers on here for that, don't know why, maybe people are really protective of their strains, or its taboo to ask or something.......I started a thread to learn of some vintage strains and got like 3 answers for the 200 some odd view. what can ya do? I would just go for it, live, learn and keep movin on!

legalizeitcanada said:

hey dude, wish i could help, kinda in the same boat, Ive asked about strains a couple times, where to get em, what their about, not too many answers on here for that, don't know why, maybe people are really protective of their strains, or its taboo to ask or something.......I started a thread to learn of some vintage strains and got like 3 answers for the 200 some odd view. what can ya do? I would just go for it, live, learn and keep movin on!

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Yeah I guess that's the deal. I certainly do appreciate you stopping by as saying hey though! (atleast I'm not this island alone)

you can cross anything.

No worries man, best of luck with your experiment. Something Im goin to try soon, not sure what strains yet though, should be fun!!

Anjinsan said:

Yeah I guess that's the deal. I certainly do appreciate you stopping by as saying hey though! (atleast I'm not this island alone)

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fdd2blk said:

you can cross anything.

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but wouldn't plants that themselves are crosses of for example: (A) Haze, NL and Skunk...if you crossed THAT plant with a plant that was also made of multiple different strains wouldn't their offspring results be less predictable than a cross using (B) "pure" skunk 1, x "pure" NL5. (for example)

more phenotypes with the first cross example (A) than the second cross example (B)?

Yes....from what i understand on the subject, as I have been researching this too.....the best bet you have in your case, is to look at the dominance of the plant, most seed shops tell you what the plant is crossed with and what the dominance of the strain is, but still, any of the plants are goin to have dominant and recessive genes, so really your only playing with the dominant ones of each plant, unless you start germinating to increase recessive genes. so if your playing your should be pretty fine, there is a great thread on plant genealogy here, ill see if I can locate it for you or something similar......

plus its gunna be really hard to get pure strains nowadays i would think..

legalizeitcanada said:

plus its gunna be really hard to get pure strains nowadays i would think..

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yeah I'd think so too. I see "pure" afghan stuff. I see "pure" Thai stuff. That's kinda where it ends as far as what I've actually seen that's supposedly "pure" for sale.

I have some affies outdoors right now, im pretty sure there pure, from an ole biker dude, who has been carrying the strains for at least 30 or more years.... I plan to play with them, havin troubles finding that link, RIU search can be crappy sometimes lol

Heres some cool link tho

http://www.marijuanagenetics.com/

http://www.1stmarijuanagrowerspage.com/marijuana-seeds-breeding-genetics.html

http://www.1stmarijuanagrowerspage.com/marijuana-seeds-breeding.html

This seems really good
http://www.mellowgold.com/grow/mjbotany-removed/marijuanabotany3.html

ahh.......here we go....backwards breeding....
http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/articles/2788.html


Hope these help ya!

Sorry Half Breeds:
Neither of those two are true breeding as they are both hybrids. The first one clearly states "Mostly Indica" and the other implies a hybrid due to the cerebral high but extremely short flowering period. This means that there will be many hidden recessive genes and you will get all sorts of plants. You could go through them all and try to find a good one that has the qualities you want. If you want a true F1 then you CANNOT use a hybrid. For a TRUE F1 CROSS you must breed a true Indica to a true Sativa or Ruderalis (YUK!). Anyone caught breeding Ruderalis should be chastised for their greed.

F1 Hybrids:
Tomato breeders always breed new F1 stock every year. They do not go down the filial generation line due to the many anomolies that WILL occur. The growers can then buy the same seeds every year and get the same results. NOT TRUE with F2, etc. If you want F1 hybrid tomatoes then grow 2 distinctly different heirlooms and then cross pollinate.

Homozygous is Good For Breeding Heterozygous is Bad:
Sativas can be crossed with other Sativas to produce true breeding because they have similar dominant and recessive gene traits. These are known as IBL (inbred lines) and are NOT F1 Hybrids as they are both considered homozygous. Same is true for Indicas just different alleles. You can then cross the true Indica with the true Sativa to get a REAL F1. They will all be consistent. If you breed the F1 to create F2 then you get variations according to Mendel's Model of Inheritance. Breeding F1, F2 will create heterozygous offspring and thus no longer be considered true breeding. This could lead to a wonderful plant but...you would have to grow them out and test a lot to find it. 4 Leaf Clover stuff...

Heterosis:
A true F1 should exhibit heterosis. This is also known as hybrid vigour. The plants will grow faster, stronger, have better disease resistance and higher THC production. True breeding stock seeds are VERY difficult to find due to the genetic molestation that has occurred on a world wide basis over the last few decades. Seedsman Seeds Original Haze appears to be very homogenous/homozygous. I say that from experience - all of the plants looked the same with NO INDICA present.

Bottom Line:
There are other landrace sativas and indicas out there as well. Haze is really difficult to grow so you may want try some Oaxaca (pure Sativa) X Purple Afghani (pure Indica). This would give you some really good F1 offspring. The more equitorial the strain, then the longer the flowering period and less CBD content.
(1) Do your research on your sativa strain and the supplier/breeder.
(2) Buy seeds for sativa and grow several plants. If they look different or have indica traits then destroy and start at step 1 again with another seed company.
(3) Do your research on your indica strain and the supplier/breeder.
(4) Buy seeds for indica and grow several plants. If they look different or have sativa traits then destroy and start at step 3 again again with another seed company.
(5) Cross the Sativa male pollen with the Indica female or vice versa. Resulting seeds are F1 and should be WICKED.

I was going to try to chime in, but the above post is awesome! I bet you can find lots of info on genetics and selective breeding online. Apply what you can to this plant, and look for sources like billy who can give you more specifics on traits related to what we want

I've found some pure strains on dope-seed.com....well, pure enough... like skunk 1, Original Afghan, look, you can find some...in fact I think they're was a breeder that dealt in a lot of "landrace" strains, and as far as I can tell, they are pretty pure...I just can't remember which one, but you should be able to find it on there page, best of luck.

P.S.- I've heard it takes 7 backcrosses to make a stabilized strain, don't know if its true or not because I havn't done it, but I plan on it...

Yup. You can cross anything and if you keep crossing the kids and selecting the male and female that start to resemble what your looking for...sooner of later you'll have it. While doing so you are establishing a symbiotic relationship. You help it pass on its genes, it helps by getting you stoned. I have found that if I spend some Quality time with my plants they 'tend' to produce the high I'm looking for...so while your out there adjusting PH levels and worrying about pest, talk to your plants, tell'em what you want. They are 'female' and all the females I know like to be gently talked to and especially they like compliments.

I hope that works, I'm doing that now.... I even sing to them....they're just so precious....until they spawn ballsacks and are harvested for pollen and promptly destroyed...but for the lucky women, uncnditional love...with the condition that she be whored out to the masses...*SLAP* Bitch!! You better make that money!! Now thats the kind of love lifelong relationships are made out of...did I mention I was HIGH when I wrote this....

I forgot to try to make since, because I got high.....
I forgot to try to make since, because I got high.....
I forgot to try to make since, because I got high.....
because I got high, because I got high, because I got high....dum a dum dum dum dum.....

(you should be singing it when your reading it...you know the how it goes... )

if the one strain has so many different genetic's in it i wouldn't breed it.

8erich2 said:

if the one strain has so many different genetic's in it i wouldn't breed it.

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I'd agree if you were looking to start into a serious breeding project, but if you're making a batch of seeds at home for personal use why not? I've crossed hybrids into each other and had some very consistent first generations. Even if they aren't consistent you get a varied population to choose from if creating a stable hybrid isn't your end goal.