Would this mix be to hot outdoors?

ForeverGreen42

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  1. Would this mix be to hot?

    Per 300 gallon container:

    -10 cups agricultural lime
    -20 cups oyster shell
    -20 cups neem meal
    -20 cups blood meal
    -40 cups kelp meal
  2. -5-10 cups bone meal
    -60 Lbs earthworm castings
 
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greasemonkeymann

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  1. Would this mix be to hot?

    Per 300 gallon container:

    -10 cups agricultural lime
    -20 cups oyster shell
    -20 cups neem meal
    -20 cups blood meal
    -40 cups kelp meal
  2. -5-10 cups bone meal
    -60 Lbs earthworm castings
lets do some math
7 gallons per cubic foot, 300 gallons, so that roughly 43 cubic feet.
each cubic foot on a "empty" soil mix would typically get 2-4 cups of nutrients per cubic foot.
so you are at 2.5 cups per cubic foot.
only thing left is the base, is it peat or coco?
For outdoor grows i'd add a BUNCH of steer manure, it's perhaps THE best amendment for outside grows.
i'd drop the blood and bone meals and add a shit-ton of steer manure and crab meal or shrimp meal instead.
also you have zero minerals in there, past the kelp meal
 

ForeverGreen42

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lets do some math
7 gallons per cubic foot, 300 gallons, so that roughly 43 cubic feet.
each cubic foot on a "empty" soil mix would typically get 2-4 cups of nutrients per cubic foot.
so you are at 2.5 cups per cubic foot.
only thing left is the base, is it peat or coco?
For outdoor grows i'd add a BUNCH of steer manure, it's perhaps THE best amendment for outside grows.
i'd drop the blood and bone meals and add a shit-ton of steer manure and crab meal or shrimp meal instead.
also you have zero minerals in there, past the kelp meal
What else would you add for minerals, greensand?
I am using a peat based mix (reusing FFOF)
 

ForeverGreen42

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If I don't add any extra minerals, you think that could cause major issues like imbalances in the soil/deficiencies, etc?
Could I just add a little bit of liquid nutes to get those?

I already have everything listed, was hoping to get it all amended today w/o running to the grow store
 

ForeverGreen42

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It will be a week before the grow store gets more azomite in :/

Think I'd be done without it and just adding a little bit of nutes here and there to make up for the minerals?
 

ForeverGreen42

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The other thing I'm wondering... if I amend everything now, then later top dress with either azomite or glacial rock dust. How about that? I'm new to amending soil :/
 

ForeverGreen42

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you try grow warehouse? they carry down to earth azomite i believe , good luck and happy growing
Yeaaa except I'm 4 hours away from the closest grow warehouse location at the moment l. Thanks for the suggestion tho bro! I know you're all into organics.. what do you think about my above post? (Top dressing to get the trace elements/minerals in)
 

Yodaweed

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Yeaaa except I'm 4 hours away from the closest grow warehouse location at the moment l. Thanks for the suggestion tho bro! I know you're all into organics.. what do you think about my above post? (Top dressing to get the trace elements/minerals in)
Yea you can definitely do that, i like using the bioAG cytoplus for that, it's got their TM7 which is trace minerals and humic acid plus seaweed extract

http://www.bioag.com/ourproducts.html
 

ForeverGreen42

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Yea you can definitely do that, i like using the bioAG cytoplus for that, it's got their TM7 which is trace minerals and humic acid plus seaweed extract

http://www.bioag.com/ourproducts.html
Thank you, I really appreciate it!
How long do you usually let stuff like that cook &/Or when do you top dress with it? How's everything been going out your way? Still growing out that GG4 or moved on to bigger and better things?
 

Yodaweed

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Thank you, I really appreciate it!
How long do you usually let stuff like that cook &/Or when do you top dress with it? How's everything been going out your way? Still growing out that GG4 or moved on to bigger and better things?
I usually cook my soil about 2 months , you could do less ,just realize it might be a lil more hot on plants, i stopped growing the gg4 cause i started growing this white fire og that's so good and i'm tryin some TGA chernobyl too this run it's a big huge sativa smells like a lime pop sickle

Hope everything is good for you, as for the top dressing , you can start after about 2-3 weeks in veg, most organic stuff can't really burn your plant that easily, unless you are using manures or langbenite from my experience at least. Good luck and happy growing bongsmilie
 

greasemonkeymann

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What else would you add for minerals, greensand?
I am using a peat based mix (reusing FFOF)
ah, for reusing a soil mix like that you'd have a speck of minerals in there already, but not ideal amounts.
i'd see if you can find some basalt.
greensand is great but does virtually nothing for at least a yr or so.
basalt is ideal, granite dust is good too but potentially radiaoactive, azomite is good but in a reused soil it is maybe not the best due to the aluminum potentially being bioavailable with re-composting/re-using.
primarily you are needing the minerals more so for the microbial interaction with them, the minerals themselves don't do anything too profound, but in an organic soil it's crucial for the fungal interaction and more importantly the fungal interaction with phosphorus that's ordinarily tied up in the soil
and even more in that direction lies the subject of paramagnetic minerals and their role in soil..
which to be honest i'm not entirely completely educated on the scientific aspects there, and don't really have an informed opinion on that, yet, anyways, it's something I've been researching more about, i'm just unclear about the photons and such involved, and there isn't exactly an official scientific study that I've found...
but on a strictly scientific/botanical approach the minerals are extremely valuable, if for no other reason than the sheer fact that they are typically high in non-soluble phosphorus, which when used in conjunction with a healthy fresh microbial supply (via compost for example), they act like a reaaaally slow form of phosphorus being supplied and made bioavailable from the microbes.
 

ForeverGreen42

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I usually cook my soil about 2 months , you could do less ,just realize it might be a lil more hot on plants, i stopped growing the gg4 cause i started growing this white fire og that's so good and i'm tryin some TGA chernobyl too this run it's a big huge sativa smells like a lime pop sickle
So let's say I mix everything now then top dress with azomite or glacial rock dust & a little bit of Epsom salt for MG.. when would you recommend top dressing, as soon as possible? Also, how much water would you water them in with? Enough to get run off?
That Chernobyl is fire! I've picked it up at clubs before, it's always so frosty. Same with that white fire og. Some bomb crosses! I've got 303 seeds last seed run (jabbereocky, etc) and some bubba kush x gg4. If you ever want any cuts let me know!
 

ForeverGreen42

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ah, for reusing a soil mix like that you'd have a speck of minerals in there already, but not ideal amounts.
i'd see if you can find some basalt.
greensand is great but does virtually nothing for at least a yr or so.
basalt is ideal, granite dust is good too but potentially radiaoactive, azomite is good but in a reused soil it is maybe not the best due to the aluminum potentially being bioavailable with re-composting/re-using.
primarily you are needing the minerals more so for the microbial interaction with them, the minerals themselves don't do anything too profound, but in an organic soil it's crucial for the fungal interaction and more importantly the fungal interaction with phosphorus that's ordinarily tied up in the soil
and even more in that direction lies the subject of paramagnetic minerals and their role in soil..
which to be honest i'm not entirely completely educated on the scientific aspects there, and don't really have an informed opinion on that, yet, anyways, it's something I've been researching more about, i'm just unclear about the photons and such involved, and there isn't exactly an official scientific study that I've found...
but on a strictly scientific/botanical approach the minerals are extremely valuable, if for no other reason than the sheer fact that they are typically high in non-soluble phosphorus, which when used in conjunction with a healthy fresh microbial supply (via compost for example), they act like a reaaaally slow form of phosphorus being supplied and made bioavailable from the microbes.
Thanks bro, that's very informative!
What do you think like I mentioned earlier.. mixing all amendments I have now then top dressing/watering in the basalt, or whatever I end up using?
 

greasemonkeymann

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I usually cook my soil about 2 months , you could do less ,just realize it might be a lil more hot on plants, i stopped growing the gg4 cause i started growing this white fire og that's so good and i'm tryin some TGA chernobyl too this run it's a big huge sativa smells like a lime pop sickle

Hope everything is good for you, as for the top dressing , you can start after about 2-3 weeks in veg, most organic stuff can't really burn your plant that easily, unless you are using manures or langbenite from my experience at least. Good luck and happy growing bongsmilie
whats up yoda, how life treating you my man?
you burned your plants with langbeinite and manure?
hmm.. by burning do you mean potassium toxicity? Cuz that i could see for sure..
and was the manure composted? I've used a LOT of manure in my mixes before, i even had an outdoor grow that i had probably 25% of the whole mix as steer manure, and actually that outside grow was my best ever. Just massive growth rates and virtually NO defs seen, and that's rare for a fast growing outdoor plant in california
BUT it was well composted manure... so if you used fresh manure i can TOTALLY see that burning shit up.. a whooole lotta urea nitrogen there..
 

Yodaweed

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whats up yoda, how life treating you my man?
you burned your plants with langbeinite and manure?
hmm.. by burning do you mean potassium toxicity? Cuz that i could see for sure..
and was the manure composted? I've used a LOT of manure in my mixes before, i even had an outdoor grow that i had probably 25% of the whole mix as steer manure, and actually that outside grow was my best ever. Just massive growth rates and virtually NO defs seen, and that's rare for a fast growing outdoor plant in california
BUT it was well composted manure... so if you used fresh manure i can TOTALLY see that burning shit up.. a whooole lotta urea nitrogen there..
I been good, smoking some in house genetics purple girl scout cookies x animal cookies right now, how have you been?

When i made a mix with too much chicken manure and bat guano it burned my plants a little bit when i first transplanted them , i think too much langbenite can be bad, i mixed a bunch in one container for a test and my plant got a little burn but can't be sure what its from also
 

greasemonkeymann

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Thanks bro, that's very informative!
What do you think like I mentioned earlier.. mixing all amendments I have now then top dressing/watering in the basalt, or whatever I end up using?
nah man, you want the minerals in there EARLY, it's not soluble at all, so a topdress isn't ideal, not to mention it's similar in regards to myco, in that you want virtually as much of your roots to come in contact with it, its different than the myco of course, but you want it to be present in as much of your soil mix as possible.
the relationship between the fungal microbes and minerals are crucial, and often overlooked.
especially in an organic mix
in fact, i HIGHLY recommend a compost that is made with mineral dusts, the composting procedure and all that "extra" time with microbial interaction (fungal in specific, which is one of the reasons i think compost is crucial, worm castings have verrrry little fungal activity)
but i believe that a compost made with minerals is perhaps a hidden reason as to why i have such great success with it, nothing has ever made even half the difference that a fresh compost has.
My theory is that it seems to be a difference when the plant has mineral-based phosphorus rather than the normal nutrient based ones, like fishbone meal or whatnot.
but i may have to eventually go to a simpler compost based just on kelp meal, grass clippings, leaves, and basalt.
Seems like with each year passing, i am finding less and less things that the plants actually need.
While seemingly the secret is more in the microbial interaction/access to fresh humus rather than the plant nutrients that we use.
It's weird how that works
now, that all being said i am sorta like a baby with a pacifier with my neem meal and comfrey...
that'll be hard to put those aside..
 
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greasemonkeymann

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I been good, smoking some in house genetics purple girl scout cookies x animal cookies right now, how have you been?

When i made a mix with too much chicken manure and bat guano it burned my plants a little bit when i first transplanted them , i think too much langbenite can be bad, i mixed a bunch in one container for a test and my plant got a little burn but can't be sure what its from also
ahh I've been alright, dealing with the usual female-drama, but that seems to be alllll the time..
had to cut my lights in half because my landlord was acting like an unwashed whore..
but all in all i'm doing damn well.
and ohhhh... hell yea, chicken manure is HOT as fuck
that makes sense
i was thinkin of like horse or steer manure
and shit yea the potassium can cause issues, locks out damn near all the cations, in fact most of the pictures of the plants i see on this site that the growers think need calmag, is simply a toxicity issue with either potassium or phosphorus.. or both.. with those damn "bloom busters" and their 0-40-50 type shit.
sure, they need calmag, but not because the soil doesn't have that in it...
hell i learned that yrs ago when i was using too much black strap molasses
 
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