Yellow bugs under leaf damage and shiny black dots on top

hey guys I keep looking for what kind of bugs these are but I can't find matching symptoms leaves curl and have shiny black dots on top with brown underneath little yellow bugs look like larvae underneath just finished a grow with coco and had no problems I used fox farm this time but I had a bad feeling about it but still went for it and now these bugs are back I had them the grow before this and they definitely decreased my yield and messed up the flavor on most of the plants are lease help

heres pics

one more

I use the blue dawn dish liquid to rid bugs.
2-3 drops in a bottle sprayer filled with water
will kill them for good.
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for sure any idea what these guys are?

mites

SNS217

damnit!! >.<

I can't see them in your pics but when
you say yellow chances are they are aphids.
Also the dots on top of the leaves also tells
me they are aphids.
Easy to rids bugs no doubt.

how about this one they are hard to see but they do look like mites I thought aphids at first though forever I just cant find any adults at all they all look like larvae

Either way, a spray with with blue Dawn will kill
them and any larvae for good.

sry this one

Will spraying them with the Dawn, compromise growing organically since dawn technically has chemicals? If SO what is the best way to rid them if you're trying to stay organic?

kk ill try that first if it doesnt work then ill try the sns

thats true I am trying to grow organic actually but I think dawn is pretty much harmless

I have tried neem oil and dr bronners mixed too it seems to kill them for a bit but they always come back

The damage looks like thrips damage.They have a complex life cycle and are not easy to get rid of when the are well established.

KataractJaxk said:

Will spraying them with the Dawn, compromise growing organically since dawn technically has chemicals? If SO what is the best way to rid them if you're trying to stay organic?

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I have used it many times with no
ill effects of any kind. They use it to clean up
animals that suffer from oil spills in the ocean
so it has to be safe imo.
I've also used it on star flower vines and the small white
flowers are extremely delicate and it did nothing to the flowers but
did kill all bugs and larvae on the leaves.

KataractJaxk said:

Will spraying them with the Dawn, compromise growing organically since dawn technically has chemicals? If SO what is the best way to rid them if you're trying to stay organic?

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Numerous articles about organic pesticides here at RIU.
habanero pepper diluted juice?

Milovan said:

Numerous articles about organic pesticides here at RIU.
habanero pepper diluted juice?

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I'll have to check that Juice out, I've never heard of it.